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Michael Yon's latest: ...and in that moment I knew that Iraq could make it.

Michael Yon was allowed to sit in on a meeting between US forces and former insurgents who have shown a willingness to work with us against al Qaeda and other islamist and sectarian insurgents. The US commander proposed 7 rules and 1 oath as the guiding principles of our cooperative efforts. Discussion followed, some changes were made, and another nail was driven into the coffin of those who would keep Iraq off the road to a pluralistic, free society. For those waiting to see meaningful political achievements, read on:

7 Rules: 1 Oath

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19 July 2007

Today marks D+30 since the start of Operation Arrowhead Ripper. The initial goal of Arrowhead Ripper was to clear Baqubah of al Qaeda, and then attempt to “jump start” the city back into civic life, which had all but ceased while the terrorists were in control. Though relatively minor clearing operations are still underway, there is little combat in the city.

Today Colonel Steve Townsend, the American commander of the 3-2 Stryker Brigade Combat Team, presided over a meeting with Iraqi Army officers and former insurgent leaders. The insurgent leaders who seem to be sincerely working toward peace are now collectively referred to as “the Baqubah Guardians.” I was allowed to attend the meeting, but was—understandably—not permitted to photograph or videotape the proceedings.

Colonel Townsend clarified the purpose of the meeting; it was not to formalize relations or to establish a chain of command, but to work out ways of cooperating to bring better days to Baqubah.

Colonel Townsend’s staff had prepared a slideshow that started off with a draft of “7 Rules.” The final version of the 7 Rules were open to discussion and suggestions from those in attendance. The rules were followed by an Oath, also still in draft.

First Colonel Townsend reviewed the 7 Rules, presented here verbatim from the slides:

1) Protect your community from AQI, JAM and other terrorist militia.
2) Accept both peaceful Sunni, Shia and others.
3) Stay in your neighborhood/AO [area of operations] for your safety.
4) Take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution of Iraq.
5) Register with Iraqi Security Forces and Coalition Forces [biometrics for CF].
6) For your safety, wear a standard uniform and markings [an example was proposed].
7) Receive hiring preference for Iraqi Police and Army.

Then came the Oath, also presented here verbatim from the slides:

1) I will support and defend the Constitution of Iraq.
2) I will cooperate fully with the Iraqi government.
3) I will guard my neighborhood, community and city.
4) I will bear no arms outside my home without coordination of Iraqi Security Forces or Coalition Forces
5) I will bear no arms against the Government of Iraq, Iraqi Security Forces or Coalition Forces.
6) I will not support sectarian agendas.

After the proposal for the 7 Rules and the Oath were presented, the most interesting—fascinating, really—part of the meeting unfolded.

The Iraqi Army commanders and “Baqubah Guardians” then gave their input, and some of that input was as follows:
1) Protect your community from AQI, JAM and other terrorist militia.

Some attendees did not like that AQI and JAM were singled out, citing that this only validated those organizations, while not fully recognizing the problems from terrorist groups such as the Badr or IAI. Other attendees disagreed and thought the groups should be named, but finally it was decided to strike the names AQI and JAM.
2) Accept both peaceful Sunni, Shia and others.

After some intelligent discussion, the Iraqis wanted this changed to “Accept all peaceful Iraqi citizens without discrimination.”
3) Stay in your neighborhood/AO [area of operations] for your safety.

This needed clarification: Colonel Townsend was not saying they should not travel from their neighborhoods, but that they should not operate out of their neighborhoods, and the attendees agreed.
4) Take an oath of allegiance to the Constitution of Iraq.

Now it got interesting. One Iraqi said that even under the Saddam regime, bad as it was, the constitution still kept them together. He made no mention of the wars against the Kurds or Shia. But he went on to say that the current constitution tended to divide Iraq. No serious arguments were put forth on this today, but it was clear that fourth rule could lead to months or years of debate. After all, our own Constitution remains a work in progress, having been amended more than two dozen times. Each time that Americans bring this fact to forefront, it seems to assuage some of the “Constitutional-angst” among Iraqis, but that doesn’t change the fact that their government is about as solid as fog.
5) Register with Iraqi Security Forces and Coalition Forces [biometrics for CF].

The “biometrics” part of #5 was an issue partly because Coalition Forces do not share biometrics with the ISF, and so in fact we are asking Iraqis to submit to photographing, fingerprinting and retinal scans for our use. The Iraqis politely offered their consensus that this was not a good idea, and Colonel Townsend chuckled, saying even Americans wouldn’t go for that. [Can’t blame him for trying.]
6) For your safety, wear a standard uniform and markings [an example was proposed].

The uniform idea was fine with the Iraqis, especially so since we killed at least six of their militia members in the last 30 days. I saw our guys shoot four 1920s guys a few days ago on Sunday, killing two of them. The shooting was the fault of the 1920s guys: had they been wearing uniforms, they would be alive today. The Iraqis agreed that uniforms are a good idea.
7) Receive hiring preference for Iraqi Police and Army.

Point number seven received nods of approval.
On the Oath, the matter was more interesting:
1) I will support and defend the Constitution of Iraq.

Discussion around Point One of the Oath was similar to that around Point Four of the 7 Rules.
2) I will cooperate fully with the Iraqi government.

Point two received some pushback, but again, imagine asking all Americans to swear that “I will comply fully with the American Government.” It would be un-American to agree to that! And here in Iraq, if I were an Iraqi, I would never agree to “I will cooperate fully with the Government of Iraq.” What government? The one in Baghdad that refuses to send legal food shipments to Diyala Province? I saw this with my own eyes and videotaped officials in the “Iraqi government” refusing to help the Diyala Government, calling Diyala (verbatim) a “terrorist province.” Even though Diyala has been a province riddled by terrorists lately, that still doesn’t change the fact that people here went without food because of the government people in Baghdad they are now supposed to pledge allegiance to. No smart person was likely to sign that line.

The other points were subject to briefer discussion and easier agreement, although the easiest of all parts of the Oath was point Six—I will not support sectarian agendas. Every Iraqi in the room immediately was aboard on this one, and they even seemed enthusiastic about it.

I’ve saved an unmentioned point for last. The Iraqi flag appeared on some of the slides. But the graphic showed an Iraqi flag without the traditional words “God is Great.” This was clearly a potential flash point. In fact, one of the Iraqi interpreters nearly recused himself from the conversation. LT David Wallach, whose native tongue is Arabic, told me after the meeting that Saddam had put “God is Great” on the flags so that Iraqis would stop grinding the flags into the dirt with their feet. He said that Iraqis would never trample on anything that had those words written on it.

But other than the interpreter’s sudden jitters, I detected no overt emotion among the Iraqis. In fact, they were all calm, professional, and very polite. An Iraqi Colonel was generous enough to offer that he believed it to be just a mistake that “God is Great” was left off the flag that was used on the slides. But the Iraqis all agreed that nobody was going to sign anything that displayed an Iraqi flag without the phrase “God is Great.”

This might seem ominous to us. “Allah u Akbar!” are, after all, words that we have become accustomed to hearing when someone is doing something bad, like burning an American flag, or blowing up Americans. But these issues are more like the intense legal and media battles over the words “In God We Trust” on the money in our pockets, or the ongoing furor in some sectors over the phrase “One Nation, Under God, Indivisible . . . ” in the Pledge of Allegiance. (Not to mention the dust storms kicked up by the Pledge itself.)

Seeing “God is Great” written on the Iraqi flag might provoke some to protest “Why did we come here just to stand up a country who would write such things on their flag?” But I sat there in that meeting, which was completely civil and professional, and I thought about another flag, the one flying over South Carolina. Some people call that flag “heritage,” while others call it “hateful,” “painful” and “demeaning.” And today in that meeting, I thought about the descendants of slaves who are now top military commanders in the American Army, and in that moment I knew that Iraq could make it.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:35 PM   #2
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I thought this guy was supposed to be neutral. I call BS that is pure unadulterated propaganda that must delight the US government.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:39 PM   #3
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I thought this guy was supposed to be neutral. I call BS that is pure unadulterated propaganda that must delight the US government.
I don't know who ever claimed he was neutral. My understanding is that he's on the side of truth. He's critical when criticism is warranted and he applauds when applause is warranted. You've apparently gone around the bend too far to recognize objectivity.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:40 PM   #4
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My understanding is that he's on the side of truth.



He's on the side of TRUTH!!!!

Or is that truthiness?


Edit: I should add that I like Yon's coverage a lot and think he does an outstanding job. Just saying that a he's "on the side of truth" is ridiculously propagandistic in itself.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:42 PM   #5
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I don't know who ever claimed he was neutral. My understanding is that he's on the side of truth. He's critical when criticism is warranted and he applauds when applause is warranted. You've apparently gone around the bend too far to recognize objectivity.
I am sure you got that from the Bush administration's Ministry of Truth, mein comrade.
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Old 07-21-2007, 08:43 PM   #6
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He's on the side of TRUTH!!!!

Or is that truthiness?


Edit: I should add that I like Yon's coverage a lot and think he does an outstanding job. Just saying that a he's "on the side of truth" is ridiculously propagandistic in itself.
Not if it's true, which you seem to admit, yourself. There is no doubt that Yon, like any human, is going to be subject to bias, but the thing that's different about Yon is that he isn't prone to joining the media herd and saying things just because everyone else is saying them. He goes where most reporters don't go and tells us what he sees and what he thinks about it.
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Not if it's true, which you seem to admit, yourself. There is no doubt that Yon, like any human, is going to be subject to bias, but the thing that's different about Yon is that he isn't prone to joining the media herd and say things just because everyone else is saying them.
No, but he is prone to moments of jingoist patriotism where he waxes romantic about the great mission which our boys are undertaking over there and seems to envision himself as the Dan Rather of a new even greater greatest generation.
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No, but he is prone to moments of jingoist patriotism where he waxes romantic about the great mission which our boys are undertaking over there and seems to envision himself as the Dan Rather of a new even greater greatest generation.
Where is the line drawn between jingoist patriotism and regular patriotism? I assume it's jingoist if it's a case of congratulating our own government or our own soldiers, no matter how well deserved, and regular if it's critical.
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Where is the line drawn between jingoist patriotism and regular patriotism? I assume it's jingoist if it's a case of congratulating our own government or our own soldiers, no matter how well deserved, and regular if it's critical.
I'd argue that a journalist who is "on the side of truth" should probably not be motivated by patriotism at all (in his writing) whether jingoist or regular. Certainly there are moments when truth and patriotism coincide, but there are just as certainly moments when the two diverge.
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I sure hope Iraq can make it, because once we re-deploy, they're going to have to. This engagement isn't going to last forever, and at some point, they're going to have to be responsible for their own society.
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I'd argue that a journalist who is "on the side of truth" should probably not be motivated by patriotism at all (in his writing) whether jingoist or regular. Certainly there are moments when truth and patriotism coincide, but there are just as certainly moments when the two diverge.
I'm still having trouble understanding what your knock on Yon is. Do you think his patriotism is interfering with his reporting? Is it leading him to be untruthful?

I expect American reporters to be Americans first and reporters second. I see no virtue in trying to give equal voice to the pov of our enemies. Truth does not require that.
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I'm still having trouble understanding what your knock on Yon is. Do you think his patriotism is interfering with his reporting? Is it leading him to be untruthful?

I expect American reporters to be Americans first and reporters second. I see no virtue in trying to give equal voice to the pov of our enemies. Truth does not require that.
I have no knock on Yon, personally. As I said, I like his coverage and enjoy reading it. That being said, truth requires truth, regardless of whose pov that truth comes from. My knock is on your platitude that Michael Yon is on the "side of truth."
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Sounds like Operation Pollyanna!

NewPhin's right to be suspicious. There's been an information warfare campaign carried out by this administration with the Pentagon even paying journalists, including bloggers imbedded with the military to publish favorable stories without disclosing the military's role in producing them. We already know this administration did this at the start of the war with Judith Miller.

I've been suspicious of Yon for awhile and there's another one named Bill Roggio.There's also the Lincoln Group who's been behind this as well. Roggio claimed to be "invited by the Marines." One quote of his: [i] "have received
media credentials thanks to Dr Michael Ledeen and the American Enterprise Institute." Interesting 'eh?

These two guys seem more like an agitprop to keep the selling the war as viable to those of us who don't live in fantasyland. Kinda like The Weekly Standard's commercial on Fox when they claim to "shape the news."



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I'm still having trouble understanding what your knock on Yon is. Do you think his patriotism is interfering with his reporting? Is it leading him to be untruthful?

I expect American reporters to be Americans first and reporters second. I see no virtue in trying to give equal voice to the pov of our enemies. Truth does not require that.
You can be truthful and not report part of the story. I believe Yon may have reached that point. I have no proof, more of a feeling. If it was all so rosy I would think the foreign press would be all over it.
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