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Old 07-22-2007, 01:10 AM  
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NYT: "The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-DEA, Anti-Medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul"

Great read. Pretty balanced by New York Times standards. His life is an interesting tale. A few highlights:

1. Elected to congress as a non-incumbent 3 times, including once where George Junior and George Senior both endorsed the "flipped" incumbent Democrat who was running against him.

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In the first days of 1995, just weeks after the Republican landslide, Paul traveled to Washington and, through DeLay, made contact with the Texas Republican delegation. He told them he could beat the Democratic incumbent Greg Laughlin in the reconfigured Gulf Coast district that now included his home. Republicans had their own ideas. In June 1995, Laughlin announced he would run in the next election as a Republican. Laughlin says he had discussed switching parties with Newt Gingrich, the next speaker, before the Republicans even took power. Paul suspects to this day that the Republicans wooed Laughlin to head off his candidacy. Whatever happened, it didn’t work. Paul challenged Laughlin in the primary. "At first, we kind of blew him off,” recalls the longtime Texas political consultant Royal Masset. “ ‘Oh, there’s Ron Paul!’ But very quickly, we realized he was getting far more money than anybody.” Much of it came from out of state, from the free-market network Paul built up while far from Congress.

His candidacy was a problem not just for Laughlin. It also threatened to halt the stream of prominent Democrats then switching parties — for what sane incumbent would switch if he couldn’t be assured the Republican nomination? The result was a heavily funded effort by the National Republican Congressional Committee to defeat Paul in the primary. The National Rifle Association made an independent expenditure against him. Former President George H.W. Bush, Gov. George W. Bush and both Republican senators endorsed Laughlin. Paul had only two prominent backers: the tax activist Steve Forbes and the pitcher Nolan Ryan, Paul’s constituent and old friend, who cut a number of ads for him. They were enough. Paul edged Laughlin in a runoff and won an equally narrow general election.
2. He recalls an appauling account of an abortion he witnessed as a young doctor where the baby was pulled from the womb crying and then dumped in a bucket.

3. Immediate reaction to 9/11 was, "now we're gonna get big government." (Wow.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/ma.../22Paul-t.html

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Old 07-22-2007, 01:39 AM   #2
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I really hope that at some point Americans are going to wake up to what Ron Paul is about in a very big way, and realize that he's just the shake to the system that America needs.
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Old 07-22-2007, 02:34 AM   #3
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I really hope that at some point Americans are going to wake up to what Ron Paul is about in a very big way, and realize that he's just the shake to the system that America needs.
Though he scares the hell out of me I would vote for him in a nanosecond if he could get the nomination.
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Old 07-22-2007, 10:35 AM   #4
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:30 PM   #5
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Though he scares the hell out of me I would vote for him in a nanosecond if he could get the nomination.
Make sure you vote in the primaries, then.
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Old 07-22-2007, 01:18 PM   #6
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I really hope that at some point Americans are going to wake up to what Ron Paul is about in a very big way, and realize that he's just the shake to the system that America needs.

Well start telling all your friends, everybody I know is fed up with both parties and like what I tell them about Paul.. Maybe if there is enough networking of friends and through online sites like myspace/facebook there might be enough grassroots initiative for him to stand a chance...

Or if we can convince churches to notice the guy..
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Old 07-22-2007, 01:41 PM   #7
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He routinely opposes resolutions that presume to advise foreign governments how to run their affairs: He has refused to condemn Robert Mugabe’s violence against Zimbabwean citizens (421-1), to call on Vietnam to release political prisoners (425-1) or to ask the League of Arab States to help stop the killing in Darfur (425-1).

I love Paul's principle here. He walks the walk, that's for sure.
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Old 07-22-2007, 02:16 PM   #8
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Make sure you vote in the primaries, then.
I am torn, I can vote against Hillary or I can vote for Ron Paul but not both. I kind of think it is more important to vote against Hillary.
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:01 PM   #9
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:37 PM   #10
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I am torn, I can vote against Hillary or I can vote for Ron Paul but not both. I kind of think it is more important to vote against Hillary.
No way. Plenty of people to do that already.
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Old 07-22-2007, 05:53 PM   #11
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No way. Plenty of people to do that already.
You have to remember I live in CA where Clintons are loved.
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:10 AM   #12
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You have to remember I live in CA where Clintons are loved.
All the more reason to vote for Paul, then, IMO. Voting against somebody almost never works as well as voting FOR somebody.
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:27 PM   #13
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All the more reason to vote for Paul, then, IMO. Voting against somebody almost never works as well as voting FOR somebody.
Look I can waste my vote on Paul who won't be the Republican nominee no matter how much you wish for it. Or I can vote for another leading Democrat who has a chance to edge out Hillary, if my vote is wasted then it will be in an effort that has a chance.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:01 PM   #14
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He has some good ideas, no question about that. I think his philosophy on Iraq would be an error in the long term sense for us, but some of what he says sounds good.

I don't see where people think he can be a factor in this race though. He's at 2 or 3% in most of the polls I was just looking at, doesn't matter if they put in people like Newt or Thompson or what.

I think on the internet he's being propped up by a lot of people who won't end up voting for a Republican anyway and because he's appealing as the media-favored alternative, like McCain was in 2000.

Newt isn't even in the race and he's polling higher. Thompson isn't officially in the race yet and he's polling higher too. McCain's candidacy is only barely still on life support, and Romney isn't doing any better, but all those people are ahead of him. You don't usually see minor candidates bow out and their support strengthen other minor candidates.

I don't see how he can end up being in the race, for real.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:09 PM   #15
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He has some good ideas, no question about that. I think his philosophy on Iraq would be an error in the long term sense for us, but some of what he says sounds good.

I don't see where people think he can be a factor in this race though. He's at 2 or 3% in most of the polls I was just looking at, doesn't matter if they put in people like Newt or Thompson or what.

I think on the internet he's being propped up by a lot of people who won't end up voting for a Republican anyway and because he's appealing as the media-favored alternative, like McCain was in 2000.

Newt isn't even in the race and he's polling higher. Thompson isn't officially in the race yet and he's polling higher too. McCain's candidacy is only barely still on life support, and Romney isn't doing any better, but all those people are ahead of him. You don't usually see minor candidates bow out and their support strengthen other minor candidates.

I don't see how he can end up being in the race, for real.
Pretty much my view is the opposite of this. I agree with him on Iraq and disagree on most other stuff. Probably some agreement on immigration too.

I just realized that what i just typed sounds like an StcChief post. Good Lord. Maybe I should not drink gin on a monday.
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