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Old 07-22-2007, 04:40 PM  
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Why can't we just cut bait and leave Iraq?

Just declare victory. Our goal was to remove Saddam and we did that. We say........It's a civil war now and none of our business.

Democracy will not work in Iraq. It won't be given a chance. We can't make them like us. The majority of the people in the Middle East hate us. Fuk em.

If the conservative master of foreign policy and current political god of the conservatiuve right, Regan can get us into a civil war in Lebanon. He then gets a bunch of marines killed trying to do the right thing. If Regan was smart enough to cut bait and bring the troops home why cant Bush?
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:42 PM   #2
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:42 PM   #3
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:43 PM   #4
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Because we'll end up going back in another 10 years if we let the place descend into anarchy and Al Queda gets to install a government.

No one cares about impending genocide or other trivial matters, I understand, but that's one pretty good reason.
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:54 PM   #5
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Because we'll end up going back in another 10 years if we let the place descend into anarchy and Al Queda gets to install a government.

No one cares about impending genocide or other trivial matters, I understand, but that's one pretty good reason.
So what? Are we suppose to risk American lives to keep the peace in every country in the world thats falling apart?

What about a country that might have an Al-Quaeda connection? How much Saudi money do you think makes it into the bank accounts of Al-Queda? They are suppose to be our friends.

It's a civil war. A religious civil war. It's not going to be beneficial for the U.S. to pick a side.
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Old 07-22-2007, 04:54 PM   #6
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Old 07-22-2007, 06:13 PM   #7
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Because we'll end up going back in another 10 years if we let the place descend into anarchy and Al Queda gets to install a government.
Al Qaeda is not well liked in Iraq. When we leave, they will too.

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No one cares about impending genocide or other trivial matters, I understand, but that's one pretty good reason.
Or current genocide in Sudan. But there's no oil there.
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Old 07-22-2007, 06:32 PM   #8
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Because we'll end up going back in another 10 years if we let the place descend into anarchy and Al Queda gets to install a government.

No one cares about impending genocide or other trivial matters, I understand, but that's one pretty good reason.
Sounds like a regurgitated party line to me.
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Old 07-22-2007, 06:47 PM   #9
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Just declare victory. Our goal was to remove Saddam and we did that. We say........It's a civil war now and none of our business.

Democracy will not work in Iraq. It won't be given a chance. We can't make them like us. The majority of the people in the Middle East hate us. Fuk em.

If the conservative master of foreign policy and current political god of the conservatiuve right, Regan can get us into a civil war in Lebanon. He then gets a bunch of marines killed trying to do the right thing. If Regan was smart enough to cut bait and bring the troops home why cant Bush?
Good post. And kudos go out to our soldiers for doing everything that they set out to do. Insured that we were not threatened by WMDs. Brought about regime change. Installed democracy. Trained the Iraqi soldiers & police. Its time we supported them by recognizing their victory.

Unfortunately, our new goal is out of their hands. Now they are expected to give the Iraqi leaders "time to implement political reconciliation." And that is dependent upon the will of the Iraqi leaders, not the performance of our troops. If Iraqis do not have the will to reconcile, there is nothing our troops can do to force them to be nice to each other. The new definition of "victory" is one that our fine fighting men have no control over. Now they are stuck in the middle of a civil war waiting, waiting for the Iraqis to stop killing each other and reconcile. Reagan would not leave them stranded and vulnerable like that. Time to pin some fuggin medals on those guyz & bring 'em home.
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:17 PM   #10
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What is the upside of surrendering to Al Qaeda?
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:21 PM   #11
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:22 PM   #12
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Because we'll end up going back in another 10 years if we let the place descend into anarchy and Al Queda gets to install a government.

No one cares about impending genocide or other trivial matters, I understand, but that's one pretty good reason.
Yes just like we had to go back into Vietnam. Damn that was horrible.
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:22 PM   #13
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What is the upside of surrendering to Al Qaeda?
Why do you want to murder our troops?
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Old 07-22-2007, 07:25 PM   #14
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What is the upside of surrendering to Al Qaeda?
Nothing like emboldening them. Do you think they would actually leave us alone if we left Iraq? Do you think AQ would not attack the target on their list, Britain, France, other western countries? Remember OBL making the statements regarding the Americans in Mogadishu. We can't let that happen. I don't seriously think that the civilized can't co-exist with a group that wants to eliminate the groups of people that don't view the world in the same way they do. Yes, this is a like hypocritical, but western civilization would leave them alone if they didn't have the war against us.


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If the conservative master of foreign policy and current political god of the conservatiuve right, Regan can get us into a civil war in Lebanon. He then gets a bunch of marines killed trying to do the right thing. If Regan was smart enough to cut bait and bring the troops home why cant Bush?
Some people might say that the issues with the Americans in the middle east started with Carter in Iran and Reagan in Lebanon. If those 2 actions would have ended with different outcomes, there might not be the issues with the ME.
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Good post. And kudos go out to our soldiers for doing everything that they set out to do. Insured that we were not threatened by WMDs. Brought about regime change. Installed democracy. Trained the Iraqi soldiers & police. Its time we supported them by recognizing their victory.

Unfortunately, our new goal is out of their hands. Now they are expected to give the Iraqi leaders "time to implement political reconciliation." And that is dependent upon the will of the Iraqi leaders, not the performance of our troops. If Iraqis do not have the will to reconcile, there is nothing our troops can do to force them to be nice to each other. The new definition of "victory" is one that our fine fighting men have no control over. Now they are stuck in the middle of a civil war waiting, waiting for the Iraqis to stop killing each other and reconcile. Reagan would not leave them stranded and vulnerable like that. Time to pin some fuggin medals on those guyz & bring 'em home.
Excellent post by both of you.
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