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Old 07-27-2007, 06:15 PM  
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NPR Article on Ron Paul: Does the "blogosphere" matter?

Is Ron Paul this year's Dennis Kucinich?

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NPR.org, July 26, 2007 · As a member of the Mainstream Media in somewhat good standing, I will be the first to admit that I don't always understand or appreciate the intensity found in the political blogosphere. I sometimes can't decide if it's 50 million people expressing their views or if it's one person expressing them 50 million times. I don't question their passion; I honestly just don't know how big of an audience it is.

It's something I wrestled with in 2004, when Web sites were filled with gushing superlatives about Democrats Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. But once the primaries and caucuses were underway, that virtual passion did not translate into real votes; Dean could only win his home state of Vermont, and Kucinich was out of the running in every single contest.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=12274886

I've struggled with this. It feels like the internet is such a big community. Then you see the massive discepancy in real poll numbers vs internet support, and it almost seems like there's just a couple of hundred of us here, all using thousands of aliases. How in the hell does Ron Paul ever finish behind Tom Tancredo or Denny Hunter or Sam Brownback?
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:22 PM   #2
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There's still a portion of society that doesnt use the web at all. Ron Paul is searched for on google more often than the iPhone or Paris Hilton. People will hear about him eventually. I hear more & more people talking about him.

I told all the stoners I know that he supports NORML & 3 of them registered for the primaries. I'll probably have to remind them when the primaries roll around. but his support is definitely growing.
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:32 PM   #3
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There's still a portion of society that doesnt use the web at all. Ron Paul is searched for on google more often than the iPhone or Paris Hilton. People will hear about him eventually. I hear more & more people talking about him.

I told all the stoners I know that he supports NORML & 3 of them registered for the primaries. I'll probably have to remind them when the primaries roll around. but his support is definitely growing.
He has growing support... just not nearly at the rate of the big time candidates... if he ran an an indy he could really do some damage...
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:59 AM   #4
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He has growing support... just not nearly at the rate of the big time candidates... if he ran an an indy he could really do some damage...
the big candidates don't match the rate of support growth. the big candidates have built-in support. people jump on their bandwagon as soon as (or prior to) they announce.

people are already familiar with the big guys so they already have supporters and opponents. people still have a lot to learn about Ron Paul his support will grow exponentially, whereas Giuliani started with about as much support as he has now. (probably less now)
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Old 07-28-2007, 07:32 AM   #5
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... if he ran an an indy he could really do some damage...
Actually I think he is getting his message out more now as a Republican candidate than he would as an independent or Libertarian. The impact of his ideas and principles reaching so many young people has to be positive. He may not get elected, but maybe he will pave the way for somebody in the future with similar views. Or maybe he'll help return some true conservative principles to the Republican party.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:13 AM   #6
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I'm realizing blogosphere or internet is not enough.
I think people who are on the net are more intelligent and informed than the average person too.

I can tell you, from my own observation is that a LOT of folks still don't know about him. My brother lives in Maine, and his politics are the EXACT same as mine and is a NeoCon-hater too. Just a few weeks ago I mentioned Paul and he asked: "Who's he?"

My cousin in NH met Benitio Guiliani at a college in NH at an engagement at a college. I asked him what he thought about Ron Paul. I got "Who's he?"
And that's an area that has a lot more Paul support. See what we're up against?

The corporate media won't give Paul enough exposure which affects his poll nubmers. Even if they did, it'd be framed negatively. So the national polls show he lacks name recognition still. He is steadily, but slowly climbing though as more people hear his message. Still may not be enough.

However, national polls aren't as relevant either....because this is not a national
nomination process. I say State polls would be more valid as to what's happening particularly in first key states of NH, Iowa and SC. Because that's how it's going to go down....state by state not in one big national mind vote.
National polls measure who is getting the most national attention, favored by press elites, corporate interests and party machines which leads to more financial support which leads to more money which leads to the media giving them the most attention.

What to do: Each of us promote Paul and convert 2-3 people each. Rinse and repeat. Send some money. As little as $7 a month per supporter could do it by December. Buy his hats, t-shirts, bumper stickers and lawn signs. My area has a lot of these all over the highway but this was a big Perot area too. Use your local newspapers to write letters to the editor. IOW's those who are big on Paul on the net, need to use a wider marketing mix and other channels of communication.

The grassroots is going to have to step up to compensate for lack of national attention if we're going to take this country back.

So get to work folks.

BTW, we can start by trying to get rex to move from the DARK side.
All that wasted youthful enthusiasm on the WRONG candidate.
Come on rex, you can shift your viewpoint.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:45 AM   #7
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Come on rex, you can shift your viewpoint.
Heh. We know he can. The kid's got more flip-flops than John Kerry and Mitt Romney at a beach cookout.
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:06 PM   #8
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What to do: Each of us promote Paul and convert 2-3 people each.
Ron Paul is the first candidate I've ever "converted" anybody to. Pretty much all I have had to do was send them the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

Good music helps keep people reeled in for the entire clip, and it features most of RP's best sound bites. I sent it to my brother who is pretty moderate, leaning Democrat, and he made it the top video on his mySpace page and changed his wallpaper to a U.S. flag. (And he has an abnormally large number of friends, most of who communicate with him via mySpace.)

I sent it to my cousin as well who I used to argue with about George Bush and the Iraq war, and he said he hadn't heard of RP, but after watching the video he was so impressed that he now plans to vote for him in the primary.

A soft-spoken, principled guy like Ron Paul who simply advocates the U.S. Consititution is an easy sell for most people.
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Old 07-28-2007, 02:55 PM   #9
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Well done Adam!
Rinse and repeat.

Now we have to reach people who aren't on the net at all.
I'm working on my bro, ( shouldn't be too difficult...just not done) who'll work on his new wife.
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Old 07-28-2007, 03:06 PM   #10
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Just finished watching the video. Loved the ending:

"Restore the Republic"
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Old 07-28-2007, 03:14 PM   #11
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Ron Paul would be great I just don't see it unfortunately.

This two party system doesn't want to reform just talk
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Old 07-28-2007, 03:36 PM   #12
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Ron Paul would be great I just don't see it unfortunately.

This two party system doesn't want to reform just talk
Does this mean you'll cast a vote for him, but are apathetic about him winning?
Or does it mean you're going to play the electibilty game, the game the 2 party system, or the elites and corporate interestes (Tories) are hoping most will play?

Can you imagine what this country could be like if we voted our consciences in this election? America wouldn't even be in existence today if certain men gave up and went along with the Tories.

From the reading I've been doing of Barry Goldwater his nomination was a rough road. ( don't know everything about it though)
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Old 07-28-2007, 04:33 PM   #13
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Old 07-28-2007, 05:24 PM   #14
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The internet makes a few people sound very loud.
Prove that it's just a few, on the net anyways.
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