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Old 07-28-2007, 04:30 AM  
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So are any of you libs going to defend this?

I wonder what the reaction would be if an Ultra-Conservative group pressured CNN in the this way. Any liberal defenders here? or can we all agree this type of censorship is bs?


By DAVID BAUDER
AP Television Writer

Liberals Pressure Fox News Advertisers

NEW YORK (AP) -- Liberal activists are stepping up their campaign against Fox News Channel by pressuring advertisers not to patronize the network.

MoveOn.org, the Campaign for America's Future and liberal blogs like DailyKos.com are asking thousands of supporters to monitor who is advertising on the network. Once a database is gathered, an organized phone-calling campaign will begin, said Jim Gilliam, vice president of media strategy for Brave New Films, a company that has made anti-Fox videos.

The groups have successfully pressured Democratic presidential candidates not to appear at any debate sponsored by Fox, and are also trying to get Home Depot Inc. to stop advertising there.

At least 5,000 people nationwide have signed up to compile logs on who is running commercials on Fox, Gilliam said. The groups want to first concentrate on businesses running local ads, as opposed to national commercials.

"It's a lot more effective for Sam's Diner to get calls from 10 people in his town than going to the consumer complaint department of some pharmaceutical company," Gilliam said.

Some of the videos produced by Gilliam's company compile statements made by Fox anchors and guests that the activists consider misleading, such as those that question global warming.

Representatives for Fox News Channel, which is owned by News Corp., did not immediately return calls for comment.

Home Depot has not had an unusual number of calls, said spokesman Jerry Shields, and the home improvement chain will not change its advertising strategy.

"We're not in the business of censoring media," Shields said. "We need to reach our customer base through all mediums available."

Groups like the Sierra Club have targeted Home Depot because they believe it's inconsistent for the company to promote environmentally friendly products while advertising on a network that has questioned global warming.

The groups seem particularly angry at Fox's Bill O'Reilly, who has done critical reports on left-wing bloggers. On July 16, O'Reilly said the DailyKos.com Web site is "hate of the worst order," and sent a reporter to question JetBlue Airways Corp. CEO Dave Barger about the airline's sponsorship of a gathering run by DailyKos.

He'll never ride on JetBlue again, O'Reilly said.

Fox said JetBlue has since asked that its name be removed from the DailyKos.com Web site.

MoveOn.org is campaigning against Fox because it says the network characterizes itself as a fair news network when it consistently favors a conservative point of view, said Adam Green, the organization's spokesman.

"We're not trying to silence anybody," Green said. "Rush Limbaugh has a right to be on the air - he admits his point of view. Fox doesn't."
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Old 07-28-2007, 05:47 AM   #2
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Did you even read the article you posted?

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I wonder what the reaction would be if an Ultra-Conservative group pressured CNN in the this way. Any liberal defenders here? or can we all agree this type of censorship is bs?
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The groups seem particularly angry at Fox's Bill O'Reilly, who has done critical reports on left-wing bloggers. On July 16, O'Reilly said the DailyKos.com Web site is "hate of the worst order," and sent a reporter to question JetBlue Airways Corp. CEO Dave Barger about the airline's sponsorship of a gathering run by DailyKos.
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Old 07-28-2007, 06:05 AM   #3
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Old 07-28-2007, 06:33 AM   #4
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Did you even read the article you posted?
In the example you previously posted, it seems to me that 1) O'Reilly is not targeting a network, 2) Isn't trying to whip up support to close a blog down but simply sending a journalist to a large corporation to ask questions about its support of a bunch of far left wackos, and 3) O'Reilly is not Ultra Conservative. Far right but not wacko right.

BTW, I am not defending Chiefaroo but just pointing out the discrepancy in your argument. JMO.
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Old 07-28-2007, 08:07 AM   #5
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Old 07-28-2007, 08:16 AM   #6
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Home Depot has not had an unusual number of calls, said spokesman Jerry Shields, and the home improvement chain will not change its advertising strategy.

"We're not in the business of censoring media," Shields said. "We need to reach our customer base through all mediums available."
I think I'll be stopping by Home Depot this weekend. Need some stuff for the lawn anyway, and after reading this I now know where I should start.
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:34 AM   #7
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In the example you previously posted, it seems to me that 1) O'Reilly is not targeting a network, 2) Isn't trying to whip up support to close a blog down but simply sending a journalist to a large corporation to ask questions about its support of a bunch of far left wackos, and 3) O'Reilly is not Ultra Conservative. Far right but not wacko right.

BTW, I am not defending Chiefaroo but just pointing out the discrepancy in your argument. JMO.
So, pretty much you are trying to say the following:

1) it's okay to pressure bloggers but not TV channels

2) When O'Reilly tells his viewers he is never going to ride Jet Blue again he is treating TheDaily Kos's sponsor in a meaningfully diffferent way than when bloggers recommend not to shop at Home Depot?

3) There is some distinction between "far Right " and "Ultra Right", so that to qualify as an attack example for ChiefaRoo's purposes they have to be "really nutty"?



Oh, and your protestations that O'Reilly isn't really "Ultra Right" are about as comical as Kotter saying "No, really, I'm a Democrat!"
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:44 AM   #8
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Old 07-28-2007, 10:51 AM   #9
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Honestly, what about this is hard to defend?

Chiefaroo, most of the time, I think you come across as a reasonable guy who isn't a moonbat. You have strong beliefs, and you word your posts strongly, but you base them off your travels around the world and your beliefs about our country and its enemies, usually not from drinking the right wing Kool-aid.

This just seems like partisan BS, though. Why on earth do you care what a few liberals are doing here? Are you concerned about the future of Fox News? Do you think it will have any effect on Home Depot?

Also, I strongly disagree that this is censorship in any way.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:09 AM   #11
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So, pretty much you are trying to say the following:

1) it's okay to pressure bloggers but not TV channels

2) When O'Reilly tells his viewers he is never going to ride Jet Blue again he is treating TheDaily Kos's sponsor in a meaningfully diffferent way than when bloggers recommend not to shop at Home Depot?

3) There is some distinction between "far Right " and "Ultra Right", so that to qualify as an attack example for ChiefaRoo's purposes they have to be "really nutty"?



Oh, and your protestations that O'Reilly isn't really "Ultra Right" are about as comical as Kotter saying "No, really, I'm a Democrat!"
Umm, no. Nice try at projection there counselor but you have made a few reading and interpretation errors.

1) How is he pressuring bloggers? He simply uses his 1st Amendment right to disagree with them and publicly do so. Seems to me, judging your reaction, that you don't like it when someone disagrees with liberals. Are you going to engage in hypocrisy in the context of defending the actions of Jet Blue and Daily Kos while demonizing someone of a different political persuasion than you for doing precisely the same thing?

2) Absolutely. When a concerted effort by a GROUP of heavily financed lefties try to influence public opinion by silencing opposing viewpoints, then yes it is subject to scrutiny, criticism and review. Saying you don't want to fly a certain airline because they disagree with your views is not even remotely in the same ballpark. If he doesn't want to ride Jet Blue again, that is his deal. If I get a better price from Jet Blue to go to the same destination then I am flying Jet Blue all the way.

3) I recommend removing the left wing goggles for a minute or 2 and seeing the world in 3d sir.

BTW, your attempt to equate ANYTHING I post with anything Kotter posts, or trying to put us in the same category is equally laughable. Even idiotic. Your turn at the insult table bro. Let me know when you are lucid enough to discuss things without insult. Thanks in advance.
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How about I defend it as saying it's a free country where people are allowed to show up and pressure advertisers for any reason they want and advertisers, if they want, can oblige.

Yeah I think that about sums up my defense.
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How about I defend it as saying it's a free country where people are allowed to show up and pressure advertisers for any reason they want and advertisers, if they want, can oblige.

Yeah I think that about sums up my defense.
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If you think you need to boycott everyone who disagrees with you, good on you.
And if the 'chips' think you're waggling dog-teet crazy for it, good on them.
To me, there is a difference between the 'chips' calling the boycotters waggling dog-teet crazy and saying that the boycotters are censoring the media.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:48 AM   #15
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Umm, no. Nice try at projection there counselor but you have made a few reading and interpretation errors.

1) How is he pressuring bloggers? He simply uses his 1st Amendment right to disagree with them and publicly do so. Seems to me, judging your reaction, that you don't like it when someone disagrees with liberals. Are you going to engage in hypocrisy in the context of defending the actions of Jet Blue and Daily Kos while demonizing someone of a different political persuasion than you for doing precisely the same thing?

2) Absolutely. When a concerted effort by a GROUP of heavily financed lefties try to influence public opinion by silencing opposing viewpoints, then yes it is subject to scrutiny, criticism and review. Saying you don't want to fly a certain airline because they disagree with your views is not even remotely in the same ballpark. If he doesn't want to ride Jet Blue again, that is his deal. If I get a better price from Jet Blue to go to the same destination then I am flying Jet Blue all the way.

3) I recommend removing the left wing goggles for a minute or 2 and seeing the world in 3d sir.

BTW, your attempt to equate ANYTHING I post with anything Kotter posts, or trying to put us in the same category is equally laughable. Even idiotic. Your turn at the insult table bro. Let me know when you are lucid enough to discuss things without insult. Thanks in advance.
Focus and read again. I didn't insult you, compare you to Kotter or defend Jet Blue or the Daily Kos. My only argument is that your attempt to say the two actions are somehow different in a non-semantic way is untenable.

Also beyond the silly emoticon I would be intersted in your attempt to demonstrate that Bill O' Reilly is really some kind of moderate centrist.

Also, FYI, "projection" is when I attempt to assign my own views or feelings to you. I don't hold any of those views on the three items i stated, so it is not projection.
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