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Old 08-01-2007, 07:02 PM  
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Ouch..dem candidates smack Obama on Pakistan stand

Democratic Opponents Slam Barack Obama For Speech on Pakistan

Wednesday, August 01, 2007


WASHINGTON —
Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic presidential rivals slammed him Wednesday, calling it a sign of inexperience to suggest sending GIs to Pakistan to hunt down Al Qaeda terrorists, declaring that, "if President Musharraf won't act, we will."


"Frankly, I am not sure what Barack is calling for in his speech this morning. But it is dangerous and irresponsible to leave even the impression the United States wou
ld needlessly and publicly provoke a nuclear power," said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

In his speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in Washington, D.C., — billed as a major foreign policy address — Obama said that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and put them "on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
He offered harsh words to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who has been the target of assassination attempts for his efforts to aid the United States in rooting out terrorist havens in the northwestern region of his country.

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again," Obama said. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

Obama said he would place heavy conditions on the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid if Pakistan isn't up to the task of combating terrorists.

"Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan," he said.
Obama's critics said being confrontational toward Pakistan doesn't help fight the War on Terror.

Hunting down Usama bin Laden and stopping terrorists from acquiring nuclear weapons is a priority, Dodd said. "But I will not declare my intentions for specific military action to the media in the context of a political campaign."

"My international experience tells me that we should address this problem with tough diplomacy with General Musharraf first, leaving the military as a last resort. It is important to reach out to moderate Muslim states and allies to ensure we do not unnecessarily inflame the Muslim world," said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, another 2008 Democratic presidential candidate.

Sen. Joe Biden said he wrote the recently passed law that conditions aid to Pakistan on its cooperation with the United States in combating Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

"Before writing the law, Biden wrote to President Musharraf and Secretary (of State Condoleezza) Rice making clear his intent to do so," a statement from Biden's campaign reads.

The statement then went on to ridicule Obama for not asking Amb. John Negroponte at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in January anything about Afghanistan or the Taliban, and quoted him discussing the “stunning level of mercury in fish.”

“It’s good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership.” said Biden campaign manager Luis Navarro.

In his remarks, Obama had plenty of criticism of President Bush for his handling of the War on Terror.

"The president would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of Al Qaeda's war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates Al Qaeda in Iraq — which didn't exist before our invasion — and overlooks the people who hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan," Obama said, adding: "He confuses our mission."

Bush has said he would order military action if intelligence showed top terror leaders were hiding in Afghanistan, but the relationship with Musharraf has been friendly and cooperative.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said none of the administration's policies about keeping military options open to respond to actionable intelligence precludes working with the Pakistanis. He cited the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as an example of an important joint operation that yielded successful results.

"Our approach to Pakistan is one that not only respects the sovereignty of Pakistan as a sovereign government, but is also designed to work in a way where we are working in cooperation with the local government," he said.

In his remarks, Obama made no mention of Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary Clinton. She called his foreign policy views last week naive and has continued to build a growing lead in the polls amid increasingly vocal concerns among Democratic voters about Obama's relative lack of experience.

While she and other Democrats say the United States is safer since Sept. 11, 2001, Obama continues to disagree.

"Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11," he said.

FOX News' Carl Cameron contributed do this report.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:03 PM   #2
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I appreciate his cander on the subject. He'd have to do some explaining to convince me it made sense mind you but this is clearly a departure from the other candidates.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:21 PM   #3
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Obama said he would place heavy conditions on the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid if Pakistan isn't up to the task of combating terrorists.
Can anyone tell me or point me in the right direction to find it myself, how much money do we give away to other countries every year? This is a country that has been able to develop a nuclear weapon but we spend hundreds of millions of dollars in military support??? No wonder we can't take care of shit here and I am paying 1/2 my earnings in taxes.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:29 PM   #4
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:52 PM   #5
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Obama is naive and is showing his lack of experience. I'm starting to think he's an empty suit as he just keeps saying stupid stuff that is hurting him politically and in reality makes no sense. Hillary is going to crush him.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:04 PM   #6
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Can anyone tell me or point me in the right direction to find it myself, how much money do we give away to other countries every year? This is a country that has been able to develop a nuclear weapon but we spend hundreds of millions of dollars in military support??? No wonder we can't take care of shit here and I am paying 1/2 my earnings in taxes.
This isn't about the money we give away in total, just to Pakistan specifically, but I thought it was relevant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/op...=1&oref=slogin

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The Center for Strategic and International Studies reports that only about $900 million of the $10 billion we've given Pakistan since 2002 has gone to health, education and democracy promotion. Most of the rest has gone to the military. The Bush administration has recently taken steps to change this ration.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:06 PM   #7
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Obama is naive and is showing his lack of experience. I'm starting to think he's an empty suit as he just keeps saying stupid stuff that is hurting him politically and in reality makes no sense. Hillary is going to crush him.
You might think he's pandering but to be fair he does have a real sense of what Americans want....OBL's head.

I could be for it if he makes a good case.

If Mussheirif(sp?) can't do the right thing he does have a point.

Although we'd have to understand going in what might happen to their nukes.

Destabilizing Pakistan could be the wrong move but it could also bolster regional help (China).
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:07 PM   #8
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Obama is naive and is showing his lack of experience. I'm starting to think he's an empty suit as he just keeps saying stupid stuff that is hurting him politically and in reality makes no sense. Hillary is going to crush him.
He got a little jump in the polls in New Hampshire and South Carolina after he stood up to Hillary at the Youtube debate. I think he's realizing that he should set himself apart from the rest of the Dems. Say that he has a different approach because he is an outsider who isn't stuck in the ways of Washington. Saying that he would be willing to talk to our enemies and consider action against Pakistan allows him to point out that his decision making process is different from the rest of the Dems, which is why he was right about Iraq and was right in being opposed to this war from the beginning. Not sure its a winning strategy, but I think that's the approach he is taking.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:09 PM   #9
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I honestly believe he will be Hillary's running mate.

Which is too bad.

Ms. Clinton is going to be our next Pres - which, imo, is an unfortunate portrait of the current state of US politics.
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I honestly believe he will be Hillary's running mate.

Which is too bad.

Ms. Clinton is going to be our next Pres - which, imo, is an unfortunate portrait of the current state of US politics.
Wanna bet?

I'm putting up whatever you choose at Carey's.

Not that I doubt you're right mind you, just that I'd like to meet you.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:22 PM   #12
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I don't think Hillary is a lock for the Presidency. In fact I think she will be exposed in the general election. It all depends how good the Republican nomination is. If Thompson does it right he has a shot. Rudy may as well but I'd rather see him as VP or perhaps Governor of NY
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:25 PM   #13
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Hillary has very high unfavorable ratings
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I don't think Hillary is a lock for the Presidency. In fact I think she will be exposed in the general election. It all depends how good the Republican nomination is. If Thompson does it right he has a shot. Rudy may as well but I'd rather see him as VP or perhaps Governor of NY

I agree with your point that she is no lock....

Once Rudy is on stage debating her... he will crush her.

FYI... Rudy is polling the strongest against Hillary... Northeastern blue states are in play for him, and California.
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I don't know recxjake, Hillary is a very good debater. That doesn't make her a great candidate, but I'm sure she could stand up to Rudy on the debate floor
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