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Old 08-05-2007, 02:20 AM  
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Interesting exchange at YearlyKos... soldier challenges panel on war...

If you read about this on PajamasMedia.com... You would have been told that "Soldier Censored at Kos Convention".

But if you watch the video, you'll see that he was warned by the moderator (apparently a soldier himself) not to speak politically while wearing his uniform. The soldier went ahead and spoke anyway.

First he complimented all of the people there as being good people and not a bunch of crazies. He then read a quote, made a few statements (not really asking a question of the panel) and issued a challenge about the number of Iraqi casualties.

He was then warned again about doing this while dressed in uniform and breaking the law while doing so.

He was asked to meet with the moderator in a back room and then came back out to be interviewed.
Full Video (sorry, no embedding):
http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/1f9fd0bf181ce192

I found this interesting for a few reasons...

First because the soldier seems like a sincere, reasonable guy.

Second, because PajamasMedia completely lies about him being "censored at Kos Convention". If you watch their own video linked above, you'll see that he was given a full opportunity to speak, even in violation of the law, while obviously offending the moderator and after being warned of the consequences. They might not have taken him up on his challenge, let him dominate the session, or even responded to his statements... they absolutely let him make the statements.

Third, because he was so complementary of the attendees at the event, seeking to publicly dispel the attacks on attendees of the Convention that exist in the RW media.

Finally, because he seemed to knowingly take this action (I want to be careful to not say it was a "stunt"... I don't think it was) knowing it was illegal and that he is putting himself in personal jepordy.

I personally don't see the benefit of wearing the uniform. I think he makes the same points without the uniform, and he actually gets a shot at engaging the panel/audience on the merit of his statements. He gets to defend the Iraqi people (his justification for his actions) without putting his career in jeapordy. Just seems like an unnecessarily bad idea.

Anyway, I thought this was interesting and a little something for everyone here.
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:57 AM   #2
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I personally don't see the benefit of wearing the uniform.
If he had been out of uniform, would you be talking about it?
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:02 AM   #3
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If he had been out of uniform, would you be talking about it?

Well, Pajamas Media and the blogosphere probably wouldn't.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:05 AM   #4
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:40 AM   #5
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If he had been out of uniform, would you be talking about it?
I really don't think his actions were a stunt. The suggestion that maybe he wore the uniform for the purpose of making his moment viral... in my mind, such an intention would be a stunt.

My guess is that he felt he needed the gravitas of his uniform to give his POV the impact he wanted. And that doing so was a very bad judgement.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:41 AM   #6
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It's unbelievable to me that Pajamas Media would lie in their reporting of the event like they did.

You might not respect the politics of someone like Josh Marshall and TPM Media, but you really have to respect how they go about their business.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:44 AM   #7
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I like his put up shut up attitude.
I think he would have gotten a lot further in the disucssion (something he seemed to want to do) by attending out of uniform... and going about it by making his statement and somehow putting it in the form of a question.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:22 PM   #8
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Looks hokie to me. I think he is an actor playing a role.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:24 PM   #9
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:11 PM   #10
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Looks hokie to me. I think he is an actor playing a role.
I'd be really disappointed if this was all a fake Pajamas Media stunt to make the Yearly Kos organizers look bad.
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:21 PM   #11
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I'd be really disappointed if this was all a fake Pajamas Media stunt to make the Yearly Kos organizers look bad.
The "Soldier" admitted that he was no longer in the Army. If he had never been in the Army was representing the Army falsely he could be in trouble. If he had been in the Army and now a civilian he does have a right to wear the uniform under special circumstances but making political statements is not one of the special circumstances.

As far as the two groups go, I don't care who is who, I still think the guy is a fake that was brought in only for publicity for one side or the other.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:08 PM   #12
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The "Soldier" admitted that he was no longer in the Army. If he had never been in the Army was representing the Army falsely he could be in trouble. If he had been in the Army and now a civilian he does have a right to wear the uniform under special circumstances but making political statements is not one of the special circumstances.

As far as the two groups go, I don't care who is who, I still think the guy is a fake that was brought in only for publicity for one side or the other.
He said he is in the reserves, but not on active duty currently.
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:26 PM   #13
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He said he is in the reserves, but not on active duty currently.
He said that he got off active duty, I never heard a comment that he was in the reserves. The AD comment was at 6:45. Put up the reserve statement time. I've gone through it twice and haven't heard it.
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Old 08-05-2007, 07:42 PM   #14
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He said that he got off active duty, I never heard a comment that he was in the reserves. The AD comment was at 6:45. Put up the reserve statement time. I've gone through it twice and haven't heard it.
I can't get the video to load. So given your deliberate review, I'll trust you are right. Might be what I thought he was saying, rather than what he said exactly.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:21 PM   #15
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He said he is in the reserves, but not on active duty currently.
I heard the same when I listened to it.
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