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Old 08-10-2007, 12:01 PM  
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Giu911iani: "I Was At Ground Zero As Often, If Not More, Than Most Of The Workers"

9/11 workers outraged by new Rudy claim

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BY CELESTE KATZ
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Friday, August 10th 2007, 4:00 AM


Rudy Giuliani drew outrage and indignation from Sept. 11 first-responders yesterday by saying he spent as much time - or more - exposed to the site's dangers as workers who dug through the debris for the missing and the dead.

Speaking to reporters at a Cincinnati Reds ballgame he caught between fund-raisers, the GOP front-runner said he helped 9/11 families and defended himself against critics of how he managed the attack's aftermath.

"This is not a mayor or a governor or a President who's sitting in an ivory tower," Giuliani said. "I was at Ground Zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them."

His statement rang false to Queens paramedic Marvin Bethea, who said he suffered a stroke, posttraumatic stress disorder and breathing problems after responding to the attacks.

"I personally find that very, very insulting," he said.

"Standing there doing a photo-op and telling the men, 'You're doing a good job,' I don't consider that to be working," said Bethea, 47.

Ironworker Jonathan Sferazo, 52, who said he spent a month at the site and is now disabled, runs a worker advocacy group with Bethea and called Giuliani's comments "severely" out of line.

"He's not one of us. He never has been and he never will be. He never served in a capacity where he was a responder," Sferazo said.

In the aftermath of the attacks, admirers dubbed Giuliani "America's Mayor," praising his leadership in the face of an unprecedented disaster. Detractors, including the International Association of Fire Fighters, which put out a scathing 13-minute video on his performance, suggested he profited politically and financially from the attacks.

"[Giuliani] is self-absorbed, arrogant and deluded," said IAFF spokesman Jeff Zack.

Responded Giuliani spokesman Michael McKeon, "Americans saw Rudy's performance for themselves during the aftermath of 9/11 and will dismiss this as the ridiculous and partisan rantings of a Democratic front group, because that's what they are."

Giuliani backer Lee Ielpi, a retired firefighter who lost his son, said no one's saying Giuliani dug through the rubble personally, but that doesn't mean he wasn't exposed to toxins.

"For me to say I saw him every day [would] not be fair," said Ielpi, who participated in the recovery effort for nine months. "But I can say I did see the mayor there a large number of times, [trying] to be as helpful and supportive as possible."

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Old 08-10-2007, 12:07 PM   #2
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:08 PM   #3
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I think Rudy's quote speaks for itself. He's getting ridiculous about this whole 9/11 thing.
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:45 PM   #5
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has he lost his mind?
I'd say no, because he would have to have one first, in order to lose it...
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:55 PM   #6
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Rudy Giuliani drew outrage and indignation from Sept. 11 first-responders yesterday by saying he spent as much time - or more - exposed to the site's dangers as workers who dug through the debris for the missing and the dead.

"Standing there doing a photo-op and telling the men, 'You're doing a good job,' I don't consider that to be working," said Bethea, 47.

Giuliani backer Lee Ielpi, a retired firefighter who lost his son, said no one's saying Giuliani dug through the rubble personally, but that doesn't mean he wasn't exposed to toxins.
Which one gets the point made, and which one is ginning up false outrage at a point NOT made?
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:56 PM   #7
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Marvin Bethea, who said he suffered a stroke, posttraumatic stress disorder and breathing problems after responding to the attacks = Partisan hack
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:58 PM   #8
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So, his statement is true then?
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Which one gets the point made, and which one is ginning up false outrage at a point NOT made?
Watching the horror that unfolded on 9/11 personally, on television, I feel that I suffered as much as, if not more than, the victims and their families. That was truly one of the darkest days of my life.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:06 PM   #10
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Which one gets the point made, and which one is ginning up false outrage at a point NOT made?
Prolly the part where Giuliani equated himself to the 9/11 workers. Just a guess.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:14 PM   #12
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Which one gets the point made, and which one is ginning up false outrage at a point NOT made?

Baby Lee, he said these words exactly:

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"I was at Ground Zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them."
That's why we have this response. He should have just said, "Yeah, I was there a lot. I was in the muck. It was awful." Instead, he claims he was working with them and was exposed to exactly the same stuff.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:15 PM   #13
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Which one gets the point made, and which one is ginning up false outrage at a point NOT made?


I would say that the person ginning something up is the one who is equating themselves with the workers on the ground in order to try and win election points. Whatever technicalities you want to explore, there comes a point when Giu911iani needs to stop using 9/11 as a crutch, and start talking about the issues.
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Old 08-10-2007, 02:40 PM   #14
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Giuliani: I Misspoke About Ground Zero

Aug 10 04:07 PM US/Eastern
By LIBBY QUAID
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he misspoke when he said he spent as much time, if not more, at ground zero exposed to the same health risks as workers combing the site after the Sept. 11 attacks.
"I think I could have said it better," he told nationally syndicated radio host Mike Gallagher. "You know, what I was saying was, 'I'm there with you.'"

The former New York mayor struck a nerve with firefighters and police officers when he said Thursday in Cincinnati that he was at ground zero "as often, if not more, than most of the workers."

"I was there working with them. I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them," he told reporters at a Los Angeles Dodgers-Cincinnati Reds baseball game.

Fire and police officials responded angrily, saying Giuliani did not do the same work as those involved in the rescue, recovery and cleanup from the 2001 terrorist attacks, which left many workers sick and injured.

"I have a real problem with that statement," said Battalion Chief John McDonnell, head of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association in New York. "I think he's really grasping and trying to justify his previous attempts to portray himself as the hero of 9/11."

On Friday, Giuliani said he was trying to show his concern for the workers' health.

"What I was trying to say yesterday is that I empathize with them, because I feel like I have that same risk," he said.

"There were people there less than me, people on my staff, who already have had serious health consequences, and they weren't there as often as I was," Giuliani said, "but I wasn't trying to suggest a competition of any kind, which is the way it come across."

Giuliani's explanation further angered his ground zero critics, prompting several to issue a statement demanding an apology.

"He is such a liar, because the only time he was down there was for photo ops with celebrities, with politicians, with diplomats," said deputy fire chief Jimmy Riches, who spent months digging for his firefighter son.

"On 9/11 all he did was run. He got that soot on him, and I don't think he's taken a shower since."

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Old 08-10-2007, 02:45 PM   #15
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He got that soot on him, and I don't think he's taken a shower since.
Ouch.
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