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Old 08-13-2007, 02:00 PM  
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Cheney: Unilateral Invasion of Iraq will lead to quagmire

Video Surfaces of Cheney, in 1994, Warning That An Invasion of Iraq Would Lead to 'Quagmire'

By E&P Staff

Published: August 12, 2007 10:20 AM ET

NEW YORK It's not the first time that citizen "investigative journalists" have uncovered some embarrassing, or telling, nugget from the past that apparently remained buried for years. But it has happened again with the posting of a now wildly popular video on YouTube that shows Dick Cheney explaining in 1994 that trying to take over Iraq would be a "bad idea" and lead to a "quagmire."

The people who put it up come from a site called Grand Theft Country, the on-screen source appears to be the conservative American Enterprise Institute, and the date on the screen is April 15, 2004. That looks right, by the look of Cheney.

Posted on Friday, it had received over 100,000 hits by this morning, after being widely-linked around the Web. The transcript of this segment is below.

Cheney had helped direct the Gulf War for President George H.W. Bush. That effort was later criticized for not taking Baghdad and officials like Cheney had to explain why not for years. Some have charged that this led to an overpowering desire to finish the job after Cheney became vice president in 2001.

Here is the transcript. The YouTube address is at the end.
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Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?

A: No.

Q: Why not?

A: Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.

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Old 08-13-2007, 02:27 PM   #2
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I saw that yesterday. Interesting.
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:32 PM   #3
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:03 PM   #4
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I have 3 initial thoughts about this:

1) This doesn't fit in very well with the narrative about how the administration came to power gunning for Iraq.

2) I wonder what changed his mind. Hopefully the man will write a memoir to explain his roles and his rationales throughout his political life.

3) I'll be darned if Dick Cheney isn't right about everything. Even when some might think he's been wrong about something (like how difficult toppling Saddam could be), a video like this shows up and proves he was, in fact, right.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:10 PM   #5
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3) I'll be darned if Dick Cheney isn't right about everything. Even when some might think he's been wrong about something (like how difficult toppling Saddam could be), a video like this shows up and proves he was, in fact, right.
ahahahaha

It's pretty easy to be 'right' when you've taken both sides of an argument.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:20 PM   #6
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3) I'll be darned if Dick Cheney isn't right about everything. Even when some might think he's been wrong about something (like how difficult toppling Saddam could be), a video like this shows up and proves he was, in fact, right.
holy schite you are insane



he WAS right when he did this interview but sadly when most of us said this about the IRAQ war as it was happening Cheney and his watch dogs shouted us down .... including your dumb ass.


so when Cheney says it you applaud ..... but when we say it, we are anti-american and want the U.S. to fail and american soldiers to die?!?



dam


this just shows that Cheney knew that the war in Iraq was a bad idea .... he just didn't care because he had other agenda.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:20 PM   #7
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:25 PM   #8
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It was a pre 9/11 world. Yes Iraq (Mesopotamia) has been three or more religious regions slammed together.

Waring amongst themselves

So why would it NOT be difficult to remove Saddam an not have issues. At least they are trying build a gov't.

Success is largely going to be in their hands now.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:30 PM   #9
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It was a pre 9/11 world. Yes Iraq (Mesopotamia) has been three or more religious regions slammed together.

Waring amongst themselves

So why would it NOT be difficult to remove Saddam an not have issues. At least they are trying build a gov't.

Success is largely going to be in their hands now.
so what did Saddam have to do with 911?


i thought the invasion of Iraq was a humanitarian issue?






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Old 08-13-2007, 04:44 PM   #10
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so what did Saddam have to do with 911?
Nothing, even Bush admitted that. Didn't Cheney too?

So, what then StcChief?
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:47 PM   #11
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so what did Saddam have to do with 911?
Jury is out and will likely be for a long while. Not buying the current reports as complete, case closed.

What did Saddam have to do with continued violation of UN 1441, oil for food scam. Firing anti-aircraft guns as we patrolled / enforced the no fly zone. Killing and torturing his people. Giving $25K to families to have brain washed people to blow themselves up. Everything.
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Jury is out and will likely be for a long while. Not buying the current reports as complete, case closed.

What did Saddam have to do with continued violation of UN 1441, oil for food scam. Firing anti-aircraft guns as we patrolled / enforced the no fly zone. Killing and torturing his people. Giving $25K to families to have brain washed people to blow themselves up. Everything.
Because we are, after all.......

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Old 08-13-2007, 04:57 PM   #13
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Who attacked who or have you forgot.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:58 PM   #14
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Saddam attacked us. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Everybody knows that.
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Who attacked who or have you forgot.
AlQaeda attacked us mostly Saudis with a Saudi leader and NOT a state sponsored terrorist group. Certainly not any Iraqi, nor SH. They hide and live in friggin caves.

Oh btw those flyovers were also illegal. If a hostile nation flew over our airspace are you saying we'd have no right to shoot them?
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