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Old 08-15-2007, 01:20 PM  
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The surge is working....

summary of the story on cnn...

Suicide truck bombs hit northern Iraq town; death toll at 250

Attacks targeted mainly Kurdish religious minority Yazidi sect

Yazidis stoned teenage Yazidi girl to death for being seen with Sunni man

Sunnis then killed about a dozen Yazidi men in retaliation
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Yep, folks. We are making it all better.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:21 PM   #2
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The surge is in Bahgdad and Al Anbar.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:30 PM   #3
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The surge is in Bahgdad and Al Anbar.
So...they go where we ain't...

a bomb is a bomb no matter where it is set off.

You for putting over another couple of hundred thousand troops over there so every nook and cranny will be "surged?" For how long? At what cost?
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:49 PM   #4
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At what cost?
At the cost of losing our country, perhaps?

David Walker,a non-partisan figure in charge of the Government Accountability Office,the investigative arm of the US Congress and comptroller Gen of the US says the war may bring the US down. He's making comparisons to the end of the Roman Empire due to unsustainable polices including :"dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services, the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US deb, lack of political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government. Bush may keep pumping money into holding this off but a day or reckoning comes sooner or later unless we wise up.

Personally, I don't care if the empire falls, but I wouldn't want to lose our Republic with that scenario.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:50 PM   #5
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Hmm, who can we get to play Brutus?
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:00 PM   #6
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You do realize these type of bombings was reduced by half in July and the trend is on pace in August? The former strategy may have failed, but the surge result so far are encouraging.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:05 PM   #7
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #8
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I thought we ended up in Iraq based on doom and gloom.
And we need to go after Iran because if we don't it will be doom and gloom.
It's called projection.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:14 PM   #9
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You do realize these type of bombings was reduced by half in July and the trend is on pace in August? The former strategy may have failed, but the surge result so far are encouraging.
Number of reduced but killing more each time. They're just getting more efficient.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:20 PM   #10
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Not at all...

I just don't believe in unjustied war. Ever.

Iraq did not attack us, no matter how folks want to spin it. We entered into empire securing, nation-building full-bore and that, to me, is wrong-headed policy.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:24 PM   #11
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That could happen anywhere if USA is there or not....

Unjust war. Put your head back in the sand and wait those whackos to attack here again.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:28 PM   #12
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That could happen anywhere if USA is there or not....

Unjust war. Put your head back in the sand and wait those whackos to attack here again.
The ability to see differences and similarities is part of sanity, reason and logic.
Seeing all as the same thing is identification and results in reacting instead of thinking.

Which "whackos" and "where?"

They are not the same group. They, generality and all the same, did not attack us. Islam itself is a mosaic not a monolith too.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:30 PM   #13
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That could happen anywhere if USA is there or not....

Unjust war. Put your head back in the sand and wait those whackos to attack here again.
Five US soldiers dying in Iraq today would not happen tho.

Those "whacko's" will attempt to attack again whether we are in Iraq or not.

Let's take the billions we have spent over there and secure our nation, tighten our borders, build a better CIA/FBI and PROTECT OURSELVES.

This attempt at nation-building is not going to fix a damn thing.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:34 PM   #14
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The ability to see differences and similarities is part of sanity, reason and logic.
Seeing all as the same thing is identification and results in reacting instead of thinking.

Which "whackos" and "where?"

They are not the same group. They, generality and all the same, did not attack us. Islam itself is a mosaic not a monolith too.
Not Islam. the folks standing behind it using it as an excuse... yelling jehad. death to America.

Same ones that are brainwashed from their birth to hate.

Those are the recruits that will attack put up to it by likes of Saddam and his $25K... follow the money back the next bunch will be Iranian supported etc.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:05 PM   #15
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At the cost of losing our country, perhaps?

David Walker,a non-partisan figure in charge of the Government Accountability Office,the investigative arm of the US Congress and comptroller Gen of the US says the war may bring the US down. He's making comparisons to the end of the Roman Empire due to unsustainable polices including :"dramatic” tax rises, slashed government services, the large-scale dumping by foreign governments of holdings of US deb, lack of political civility at home, an over-confident and over-extended military in foreign lands and fiscal irresponsibility by the central government. Bush may keep pumping money into holding this off but a day or reckoning comes sooner or later unless we wise up.

Personally, I don't care if the empire falls, but I wouldn't want to lose our Republic with that scenario.
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