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Old 08-15-2007, 11:58 PM  
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The White House is writing the "the Petraeus report"

White House Quotes:
"Obviously, there is going to be a report from Ambassador Crocker and General David Petraeus in September. We'll have to take a look at those." Link

"The fact is that Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus will be putting together a plan — not really a plan, but a report — that will assess the success to date of the surge, militarily, economically, diplomatically, politically, and so on." Link

"We're all waiting to see what General Petraeus produces by way of his report back, in September." Link

"I'm going to wait for ... David Petraeus to come back and give us the report on what he sees. And then we'll use ... his report to work with the rest of the military chain of command, and members of Congress, to make another decision, if need be." Link


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/12548.html

White House to write Petraeus report
Posted August 15th, 2007 at 11:05 am
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The LAT had a thorough and detailed report today on Gen. David Petraeus’ current thinking about troop duties in Iraq. Unfortunately, the Times piece really buried the lede.

The thrust of the piece focused on Petraeus apparent belief that U.S. troops may soon be able to leave parts of Iraq where security conditions have improved. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean the troops can return home and the overall deployment can shrink — Petraeus may decide to simply move the soldiers from one part of Iraq to more dangerous areas.

But way down in the 28th paragraph of the article, the LAT explained:

Despite Bush’s repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.

And though Petraeus and Crocker will present their recommendations on Capitol Hill, legislation passed by Congress leaves it to the president to decide how to interpret the report’s data.


If I’d heard this elsewhere, I’d long since forgotten about it.

For weeks, the White House has responded to every question about Iraq the same way: let’s wait until September and see what Petraeus and Crocker have to say. Given their credibility, the argument goes, their assessments should carry enormous weight. And on the other side of the aisle, critics of the administration have wondered how best to respond to a predictable report, written by Bush allies who have given skeptics reason to worry about their objectivity.

But this entire discussion seems to have been missing the point. Petraeus and Crocker aren’t going to report to Congress; they’re going to provide information to White House officials, who will in turn tell lawmakers how great things are going in Iraq. Petraeus and Crocker will apparently offer raw data, which the Bush gang will happily interpret on their behalf.

In other words, whether you find Petraeus and Crocker credible or not is irrelevant. Their much-anticipated September report will have their names on it, but will be ghost-written by the least credible sources the nation has on Iraq: the Bush White House.

What’s more, the same article (in the 30th paragraph) added this gem:

The senior administration official said the process had created “uncomfortable positions” for the White House because of debates over what constitutes “satisfactory progress.”

During internal White House discussion of a July interim report, some officials urged the administration to claim progress in policy areas such as legislation to divvy up Iraq’s oil revenue, even though no final agreement had been reached. Others argued that such assertions would be disingenuous.


So, when preparing a mandated status report in July, the administration openly considered and discussed the merits of lying to Congress. This apparently made some officials “uncomfortable.”
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:46 AM   #2
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If Petraeus signs off on the report, it's his report, even if he isn't the guy sitting behind the typewriter/keyboard. But I guess it's important for you to lay the groundwork for dismissing the report out of hand if it says anything you don't like.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:56 AM   #3
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If Petraeus signs off on the report, it's his report, even if he isn't the guy sitting behind the typewriter/keyboard. But I guess it's important for you to lay the groundwork for dismissing the report out of hand if it says anything you don't like.
Good point patteeu. General Petraeus must follow the orders of the Commander In Chief. That is correct.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:57 AM   #4
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:05 AM   #5
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Wow... the WH actually tried to remove Petraeus from the public testimony completely and instead have Condi and Gates.



I guess it creates PR uncertainty for the WH to have the guy who DIDN'T author the report answering questions about the report publicly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Senior congressional aides said yesterday that the White House has proposed limiting the much-anticipated appearance on Capitol Hill next month of Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker to a private congressional briefing, suggesting instead that the Bush administration's progress report on the Iraq war should be delivered to Congress by the secretaries of state and defense.

White House officials did not deny making the proposal in informal talks with Congress, but they said yesterday that they will not shield the commanding general in Iraq and the senior U.S. diplomat there from public congressional testimony required by the war-funding legislation President Bush signed in May. "The administration plans to follow the requirements of the legislation," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in response to questions yesterday.

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White House officials suggested to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee last week that Petraeus and Crocker would brief lawmakers in a closed session before the release of the report, congressional aides said. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates would provide the only public testimony.

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Old 08-16-2007, 06:36 AM   #6
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it's just like the fraudulent report on WMDs that Powell gave to the UN...the military's job is to provide fall-guys for Bush...

no one expected anything different from an administration with no credibility....
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:12 AM   #7
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Does anyone still want to deny that Bush fired his top Generals in order to find and install one that would support the NeoCons' plan architected by Fred Kagan?

That Petraeus was used as a tool to try to hammer down criticism coming from inside the military, form the Congress and the public?

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Old 08-16-2007, 08:41 AM   #8
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If Petraeus signs off on the report, it's his report, even if he isn't the guy sitting behind the typewriter/keyboard. But I guess it's important for you to lay the groundwork for dismissing the report out of hand if it says anything you don't like.
It's already going to be something they don't like. Reid and his ilk were declaring that the surge had failed back in April or May, before the troops were even in place. Durbin was even on some Sunday news mag saying that the surge was making progress (despite reciting the line about political solutions are what's really important, etc.)

They called it a failure before it even began, so they have to have an actionable point ready in case it does come out and sounds bad for them. (Bad, meaning, that the security situation has improved). Anyone could have predicted that in the second half of August they'd start poisoning the well.

If I thought they had really expected Petraeus to be sitting there with a laptop writing it all himself, I'd laugh, but since it's just the party line they committed to and have to stick with, not surprising in the least.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:52 AM   #9
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What you claim for the other side is equally as true for your side.
I think it's a foolish and unwise move by the WH to handle it this way, particularly when it's credibility is shot with most of the American people.
Think about that.
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My gracious. Are there people out there who are actually naive enough to think a General of his stature doesn't have a General Staff to generate the reports (at his direction and which he reviews) that he affixes his signature to?
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Does anyone still want to deny that Bush fired his top Generals in order to find and install one that would support the plan conjured up by the NeoCons' plan architected by Fred Kagan?

That Petraeus was used as a tool to try to hammer down criticism coming from inside the military, form the Congress and the public?
Who's been denying it? Of course Bush replaced his old generals with new ones that had a different plan. That's what you mockers of "stay the course" have wanted all along, isn't it?

Your libel against General Petraeus is another story though. By nearly all accounts, General Petraeus has the confidence of his troops and seems to be demonstrating his competence as evidenced by his results in the field so it's pretty small of you to suggest he's merely a tool of the administration. I guess this is what happens when you get too caught up in needing failure in Iraq to recognize that you've gone over the line of decency.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:40 AM   #12
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Who's been denying it? Of course Bush replaced his old generals with new ones that had a different plan. That's what you mockers of "stay the course" have wanted all along, isn't it?
You are so transparent in your spin that you've become a caricature of yourself.

The Generals that Bush fired weren't advocating "stay the course". They were advocating what ammounts to the Iraq Study Group plan. And because they weren't willing to support NeoCon and Chicken Hawk Fred Kagan's plan, he shit-canned them and found one who would.

And then he declared (and your shamelessly parrott) that it was not Fred Kagen's plan, or Bush's plan, but "General Petraeus' plan".

What a fraud.

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Old 08-16-2007, 09:42 AM   #13
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Your libel against General Petraeus is another story though. By nearly all accounts, General Petraeus has the confidence of his troops and seems to be demonstrating his competence as evidenced by his results in the field so it's pretty small of you to suggest he's merely a tool of the administration. I guess this is what happens when you get too caught up in needing failure in Iraq to recognize that you've gone over the line of decency.
He's a general following orders to the best of his ability and making the best of the situation given the constraints put upon him by Bush.

Bush is using him as a tool, and Petraeus is in not position to keep his job and act otherwise. As a soldier his job is to be a tool for Bush if Bush so chooses to use him as one.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:47 AM   #14
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You are so transparent in your spin that you've become a caricature of yourself.

The Generals that Bush fired weren't advocating "stay the course". They were advocating what ammounts to the Iraq Study Group plan. And because they weren't willing to support Fred Kagan's plan, he shit-canned them and found one who would.

And then he declared (and your shamelessly parrott) that it was not Fred Kagen's plan, or Bush's plan, but "General Petraeus' plan".

What a fraud.
The Generals that were replaced were the designers of what you call "stay the course." I'm sure they were good Generals, but this is how you change course. I'm sorry you still don't like the course we're on.

General Petraeus created this plan. That others had been advocating a "more troops" approach for a while and that Kagen proposed a similar plan doesn't change this. It's sad that you need to try to diminish the man in your pursuit of partisan political advantage.
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The Generals that were replaced were the designers of what you call "stay the course." I'm sure they were good Generals, but this is how you change course. I'm sorry you still don't like the course we're on.

General Petraeus created this plan. That others had been advocating a "more troops" approach for a while and that Kagen proposed a similar plan doesn't change this. It's sad that you need to try to diminish the man in your pursuit of partisan political advantage.
You live a a fantasy land. Patraeus executed a plan handed to him by Bush, designed by Kagen because when other Generals refused to support the escalation, they were fired for it.
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