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Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
Philip Atkinson

Author: Philip Atkinson
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: August 3, 2007

While democratic government is better than dictatorships and theocracies, it has its pitfalls. FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson describes some of the difficulties facing President Bush today.

Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy

By Philip Atkinson

President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

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FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson is the British born founder of ourcivilisation.com and author of A Study of Our Decline. He is a philosopher specializing in issues concerning the preservation of Western civilization. Mr. Atkinson receives mail at rpa@ourcivilisation.com.
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:51 PM   #2
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The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.


Considering this idiots belief that the pre-emptive use of Nuclear Weapons was "the wisest course possible", I think the Republic is quite safe from a coup.



Brilliant thinking, Mr. Atkinson. Use Nukes in Iraq, and allow the Radiation to contaminate SA, Kuwait, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, and the -stan nations of the former USSR.

Mr. Atkinson, with insights such as this, are you quite certain your first name isn't Rowan?
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:57 PM   #3
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"Family Security Foundation." Who are these people, you ask?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...curity_Matters

Not just some random nut-cases, but a who's who of some of the right's favorite "pundits."
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:01 PM   #4
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:05 PM   #5
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"Family Security Foundation." Who are these people, you ask?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...curity_Matters

Not just some random nut-cases, but a who's who of some of the right's favorite "pundits."
They're NeoConservatives obviously because they're the Empire Builders. Even the Weekly Standards boasts how we are an empire now and America must fight its wars.

But I was disappointed to see Laura Ingraham on that list. Very sad.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:06 PM   #6
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President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise.
That is as far as I got. I am sorry but any "think tank" that does not recognize the differences between our Republic and a true Democracy is unfit for consideration. I was even willing to ignore the first comment about the majority of Americans voting GW in for a second term but when he continues to repeat the mistake, I have better things to fill my mind with.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:11 PM   #7
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That is as far as I got. I am sorry but any "think tank" that does not recognize the differences between our Republic and a true Democracy is unfit for consideration.
Excellent point. I started to post that myself but shortened it.
The point is rule of law including over our leaders.

I also wanted to mention what will happen to Iran's 25,000 Jews who refuse to emigrate to Israel despite pleas by Israel over many years, as they don't support Zionism. Oh I forgot, they're self-loathing Jews...so they can be nuked too.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:11 PM   #8
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The article reads like a philosophical arguement IMO. It does raise the interesting point of why Democracies have a history of taking a military hit before they react and the consequences of absorbing a strike in an age of WMD's. All reasonable people when asked about war or peace will always choose peace. That's fine, but if you have an uneducated electorate that can lead to the politicians being in a position where they will lose popularity and eventually power if they are hawkish and use force to strike pre-empitively.

Our Democratic Republic has some inherent weakness built into it but it is still the best form of Government ever created.

I don't think any reasonable thinking freedom loving American would ever advocate the suspension of Democracy as it would in effect end the American experiment. That being said if our electorate stays ignorant of World issues eventually we will be struck by a large scale weapon delivered by a non-nation state if our pols and spy agencies become lax.

Personally, I think we will be struck again in the next 5 to 20 years and the result will be much more deadly than 9/11. Then the population will demand protection and retaliation and the process will start all over again only with a possible threat of martial law if the strike is too severe, disruptive and uncontrolable. It's an interesting subject to discuss and just shows that Democracy is not invulnerable and to defend it properly without losing it in the name of defense is a very complicated subject.

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"Family Security Foundation." Who are these people, you ask?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...curity_Matters

Not just some random nut-cases, but a who's who of some of the right's favorite "pundits."
I'm not sure who to condemn for this guilt-by-association smear. You for making it or jAZ for leading you to this conclusion by pretending the commentary of one person is the official position of a whole group of people. I guess I'll condemn both of you.

The fact that jAZ had to pull this from a google cache indicates that the website it originally appeared on, in all likelihood, exercised their editorial control to take that article down. That seems to argue against the notion that the entire organization endorses this view.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:27 PM   #11
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I'm sure that there are more than a few that agree with it though.Who would admit it if they did? Even Cheney and leading GOP candidates have discussed nukes.
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The article reads like a philosophical arguement IMO. It does raise the interesting point of why Democracies have a history of taking a military hit before they react and the consequences of absorbing a strike in an age of WMD's. All reasonable people when asked about war or peace will always choose peace. That's fine, but if you have an uneducated electorate that can lead to the politicians being in a position where they will lose popularity and eventually power if they are hawkish and use force to strike pre-empitively.

Our Democratic Republic has some inherent weakness built into it but it is still the best form of Government ever created.

I don't think any reasonable thinking freedom loving American would ever advocate the suspension of Democracy as it would in effect end the American experiment. That being said if our electorate stays ignorant of World issues eventually we will be struck by a large scale weapon delivered by a non-nation state if our pols and spy agencies become lax.

Personally, I think we will be struck again in the next 5 to 20 years and the result will be much more deadly than 9/11. Then the population will demand protection and retaliation and the process will start all over again only with a possible threat of martial law if the strike is too severe, disruptive and uncontrolable. It's an interesting subject to discuss and just shows that Democracy is not invulnerable and to defend it properly without losing it in the name of defense is a very complicated subject.
Yep. It will be a lot better for all of us and for our continued freedom if we nip this threat in the bud instead of waiting until the threat of nuclear terrorism actually does become imminent because by then the margin for error is too slim to bat 1000 and in that game, you don't get 3 strikes before you're out.
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I'm not sure who to condemn for this guilt-by-association smear. You for making it or jAZ for leading you to this conclusion by pretending the commentary of one person is the official position of a whole group of people. I guess I'll condemn both of you.

The fact that jAZ had to pull this from a google cache indicates that the website it originally appeared on, in all likelihood, exercised their editorial control to take that article down. That seems to argue against the notion that the entire organization endorses this view.
Agreed.
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I looked at that roster, and I don't recognize any of those names except one guy who is a Newsmax editor if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:37 PM   #15
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I'm sure that there are more than a few that agree with it though.Who would admit it if they did? Even Cheney and leading GOP candidates have discussed nukes.
Look Pea. If a Nuclear/WMD threat was imminent against the USA and we knew how to stop it by using a nuke I would certainly support their pre-emptive use as opposed to waiting for the US to be attacked first. It's a lose/lose situation overall as we all share the same planet and biosphere but if it comes down to us or them then I vote for us.
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