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Old 05-14-2001, 11:30 AM  
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I probably should not be bringing up Elvis again, and some of this stuff I'm sure we've read before, but I did find this article interesting. It's basically a piece that looks into critisisms of Grbac and tries to put Ravens fans at peace. Sort of like the type of articles we got when he first signed with us. Interesting to see the perspective we have on him now vs when he first signed (sort of like how SF looked at him when he left) and comparing it to the perspective Ravens fans are taking right now with him...

[quote]Grbac is a composite of past Ravens quarterbacks: the loner tendencies of Vinny Testaverde, the swagger of Jim Harbaugh and the long-ball touch of Tony Banks.

Now, can he play?

That's the $30 million question. After first pursuing Brad Johnson as a replacement for inconsistent Trent Dilfer, the Ravens signed Grbac as a free agent on March 8 to a five-year, $30 million contract.

But unlike in his previous stops in San Francisco, where he was asked to replace former league MVP Young, or Kansas City, where he had to act as a buffer between dynamic defensive stars and an underachieving offense, Grbac has a different role in Baltimore.

That's a good thing, because Grbac comes with some NFL baggage.

In four years at Kansas City, the Chiefs went to one playoff game despite having some of the best defensive talent in the league.

What happened?

A broken left clavicle forced Grbac, 6 feet 5, 240 pounds, to miss six games in 1997. He was 6-2 as a starter. Then he separated his right shoulder, which forced him to miss four games in 1998.

He escaped the injury bug the past two seasons, but faced serious questions about his ability in two areas essential for any NFL quarterback: running a two-minute offense and providing leadership.

Chiefs fans will remember Grbac throwing a lot of dump passes in the middle of the field in the final two minutes against San Diego in a 21-14 loss in 1999 instead of trying to march the team down the field. They will never forget the 30-24 loss to New England last year when Grbac, with no timeouts and 12 seconds left in the game, threw a 5-yard pass in the middle of the field to tight end Tony Gonzalez, who was tackled as time expired.

But maybe Grbac's worst moments in Kansas City came after a 20-13 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1998. Grbac publicly criticized several of his teammates, including Gonzalez, fullback Tony Richardson and running back Donnell Bennett. He later apologized, but those remarks and his quiet demeanor have led to doubts about his leadership.

"The one negative that I hear from other players is that he wasn't the kind of guy to take blame," ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski said. "It was always someone else's fault. So I think, from a maturity standpoint, Elvis is going to have to step up to the plate when things go wrong. Even if it's not his fault, it's got to be his fault."

Grbac and the Ravens deny a leadership problem. Before the Ravens signed Grbac, they talked with Washington Redskins assistant coaches Jimmy Raye and Richard Mann, who were Chiefs assistants when Grbac was in Kansas City. Ozzie Newsome, Ravens vice president of player personnel, said several of the Ravens were impressed with Grbac at the Pro Bowl in January.

"A lot of this stuff is from Dick Vermeil," Grbac said of the new Chiefs coach. "I like Dick, I respect him and heard a lot of good things about him. But what I sense out there is a lot of frustration on the organization's part.

"Why did Dick come out of retirement? He sensed he had a pretty good offense, tight end, quarterback, offensive line and only a couple of pieces were missing. Then his quarterback leaves. Someone has to be the scapegoat. Why not put it on the person who left? Talk to Tony Richardson, Tony Gonzalez, ask them if I tried to step in there and do everything I could to help the team win. You'll get a totally different message."

Richardson said: "I thought he was a great leader and has the potential to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately the fans, not all of them, never backed him, never supported him. They put all of the offensive problems on his shoulders. But I saw the work ethic, the way he approached practices and games. He was a pro. As for the two-minute drills, he didn't get the one in New England, but how about the one he worked in Minnesota where we won? Everything always gets pinned on a quarterback. It was unfair."

Redskins coach Marty Schottenheimer, who was Grbac's head coach for his first two seasons in Kansas City, said Grbac had to go through growing pains.

"I think he has become a good leader in the last couple of years because he has developed the ability to overcome his mistakes," Schottenheimer said. "Like a lot of players early in their careers, if he made an error, he would become defensive. I don't think his leadership is an issue in my mind at all."

The past two seasons have been the best in Grbac's career. He threw for 3,389 yards in 1999 and another 4,169 last season. Both years he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes, and last season he finished with a quarterback rating of 89.9.

"Looking at Elvis Grbac on tape through the years, there is no question that this is a tremendously talented guy," Jaworski said. "It has always surprised me that he isn't more consistent. It seems every year that there are a couple of games where he doesn't play up to his potential. He has a clunker.

"But I look at him and see a big, strong, physical specimen who can move in the pocket and is a good deep-ball thrower. He is very accurate downfield. I think he is a real good fit for the style of offenses that Brian [Billick] likes to run."
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Old 05-14-2001, 12:41 PM   #2
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[quote] In four years at Kansas City, the Chiefs went to one playoff game despite having some of the best defensive talent in the league. [/quote]

Can anyone say that is an accurate assessment of the Chiefs' defense in the last three years?

Further, you call this article "Grbac calls out Vermiel. It could just as easily be called "Richardson disses the fans [not all of them]."

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Old 05-14-2001, 12:44 PM   #3
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CALLING ALL GRBACKERS

Where did you all go. I used to make one bad comment about Grbac and get 5 pages of response telling me I am was idiot. Now, no one defends him....SELL OUT BAND WAGONERS


He will be a waste of money, just as he was in KC. He will still make high School mistakes and find someone else to blame for it.

I can't wait for the day we play against him and he is losing in the last two minutes.....it will be an easy win.
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Old 05-14-2001, 12:44 PM   #4
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I think we had some very good talent on defense (some of the best is very debatable though). However, the coaches who were coaching those defensive players left a lot to be desired the last three years (see Kurt, Willie, and the ever pathetic Dave Adolph)...
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Old 05-14-2001, 12:55 PM   #5
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That's the conundrum, some people on the Chiefs performed well below their potential for varying stretches in the past 3-4 years [McLockton, [P]Rison, all RBs, Edwards, Patton, DT [RIP, but its true], The Secondary [although they are young, still underachieving, IMO], Grey, Morris [both of them], Williams, etc.]. But none of them get the grief that the guy who [again, IMO] shattered expectations in the past two years.

Its kinda like saying thge worst thing about the movie Armageddon was that Liv tyler was an unattractive actress. there were a LOT of problems with that movie, and Liv Tyler is not the best actress in the world. But [once again, IMO] she is a hotty and was the highlight of the movie.
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Old 05-14-2001, 12:59 PM   #6
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Mack - I used to defend EG. Hes not a Chief anymore, so whats the point! This certainly does not make me a SELL OUT BAND WAGONER.

What about thoes pathetic dreamers who couldn`t let go of Gannon!
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Old 05-14-2001, 01:04 PM   #7
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I support the Chiefs' players win or lose. Once they are no longer with the club, why should I support them? I'm not sure talking badly about people solves ANTHING.
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Old 05-14-2001, 02:08 PM   #8
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Mack,
I still feel Elvis was unfairly critisized for many things here and I do not regret defending a Chiefs player in moments where I felt critisism was not justified. In the same right, I did critisize him in moments where he definitely needed to be critisized, IE the New England game. IMO I do not find it productive to rip players on a team unless it is warranted. Elvis got a lot of flak last year for not taking us to the playoffs, but people were forgetting the real problems (coaching, defense, no running game).

Now that he is not a Chief, I still don't find a need to attack him. But I do take a more humorous approach to him when discussing him and his problems, and I don't wish him well in Baltimore, especailly with the remarks he feels he keeps needing to make about the organization.

I just hope Trent Green is a QB we can all get behind. I'm tired of these stupid QB factions...
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Old 05-14-2001, 02:24 PM   #9
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Well said, Wolf.
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I second Pitt, well said, Wolf.

I always believed the primary reason that Grbac never really developed into not only a talented QB, but a smart QB as well, is because KC, under Marty, and Gun, never had the coaching that he needed. I still maintain that.
I think he will start to become a better QB in all aspects of the game now that he is playing for a coach that actually understands offense and the QB position.
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What about thoes pathetic dreamers who couldn`t let go of Gannon

There are still those out there who won't let go of gannon!

I too am finding a little more humour in some of the things that he says and does now that he is no longer a Chief.

I was a huge supporter of EG and now wish him well in his new home but don't feel the need to waste time discussing him know that he is gone.
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Old 05-14-2001, 09:56 PM   #12
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Mack,

I don't think he is going to screw up out there in Baltimore. He wasn't the problem here either.

How come you don't make 10 million posts about Gonzo "sucking" because he drops the ball quite a bit? And he has dropped the ball quite a bit. (making a point here, I don't think Gonzo sucks).
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Old 05-15-2001, 02:07 AM   #13
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Band Wagoner?? Just the opposite. We're all still Chiefs fans. If we had moved our allegiance to Baltimore with Elvis, or became Bronco fans (God forbid), when Neil Smith left KC, then we might be considered Band Wagoners.
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Grbac is now showing what a b_tch he really is...this is why I HATED the guy for the last 2-3 years.


I can't believe how many of you faithfully backed that stupid ho through thick and thin, and actually admitted that you were "Grbackers" (What a stupid word) & proud of it...you should all be ashamed of yourselves for associating your name with a puckered sphincter like Grbac.
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