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Old 05-19-2001, 06:41 PM  
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Republican charges that Clinton staff trashed the White House were fraudulent

[quote]No truth in White House vandal scandal, GSA reports

By DAVID GOLDSTEIN The Kansas City Star
Date: 05/17/01 22:15

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton administration had not trashed the place during the presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA statement.

No wholesale slashing of cords to computers, copiers and telephones, no evidence of lewd graffiti or pornographic images. GSA didn't bother to nail down reports of pranks, which were more puckish than destructive.

Among those pranks was the apparent removal, by aides to former President Bill Clinton, of the "w" key from some computer keyboards and the placing of official-looking signs on doors, saying things like "Office of Strategery," after a popular "Saturday Night Live" spoof on Bush.

But the vandal scandal, tales of torn up offices and items stolen from the presidential jet, was the hottest story in town during the early days of the Bush administration until White House furniture and last-minute pardons pushed it off the front page.

"I think it was this calculated effort to plant a damaging story," said Alex S. Jones, director of the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University. "There was a sort of fertile ground for believing anything bad."

Typical was Tony Snow, a syndicated columnist and former presidential speech writer for President Bush's father, who wrote that the White House "was a wreck." He also said that Air Force One, after taking Clinton and some aides to New York following the inauguration, "looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of thieves -- or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister."

He went on to list all manner of missing items, including silverware, porcelain dishes with the presidential seal and even candy.

"It makes one feel grateful that the seats and carpets are bolted down," Snow fumed.

Except none of it happened. An official at Andrews Air Force Base, which maintains the presidential jets, told The Kansas City Star at the height of the controversy that nothing was missing. Bush himself acknowledged the same a few days later.

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they didn't see anything really in their view that was significant and that would appear to some as real extensive damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which asked GSA to look into the allegations.

Mark Lindsay, who oversaw the transition as Clinton's assistant for management and administration, said he was pleased that the record has been set straight.

"Because of President Clinton, this was one of the smoothest transitions in the history of the presidency," he said. "This was nothing more than just lies."

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he said, but added that he still believed his sources who told him about damage at the White House.

"What often happens in Washington is gossip becomes news. That's not a good thing."[/quote]

I can't provide a straight link, but if you want to see the actual story go to the Star website "local" section and do a search for author "David Goldstein".
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Old 05-19-2001, 09:24 PM   #2
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Old 05-19-2001, 10:29 PM   #3
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Tony Snow is also a frequent guest host for Rush, so his motiviations aren't exactly to report unbiased news...

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Old 05-20-2001, 10:10 PM   #4
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Interesting update. I wondered what happened to this "scandal." Thanks for the update, keg!

Damn liberal media... they can't get anything right! :rolleyes:
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Old 05-21-2001, 04:58 AM   #5
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If this is true, someone should be charged with slander. This type of $hit will only escalate if there isn't a precedence set.
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Old 05-21-2001, 04:16 PM   #6
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We broke a lot of wind on this story when it first came out, any response?
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Old 05-21-2001, 04:43 PM   #7
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Not so fast my liberal friends....

Here is another side to the story:

Monday May 21, 2001; 11:31 a.m. EDT
White House Trashing Report No Fabrication

Cyberjournalist Matt Drudge said Sunday night that he had no apologies to make for reporting in January that Clinton aides trashed the White House when they left, despite a widely touted review by the General Services Administration suggesting the story was baseless.

Citing some of the information shared by his sources that set off the explosive story, Drudge told his weekly WABC radio audience, "I heard the obscene phone messages (Clinton's people) left behind myself."

The internet star confirmed that White House insiders had told him personally about some of the damage, such as walls that had been defaced by spray paint as the Clinton crew departed.

Indeed, that much has already been confirmed by no less an authority than President Bush himself.

"There might have been a prank or two," Bush told reporters on Jan. 26. "Maybe somebody put a cartoon on the wall."

In fact, despite loud crowing over the weekend by the media's Democratic spinmeisters, who complained that the trashing report was a complete fabrication and demanded apologies, essential elements of the story still seem solid.

For example, Bernie Ungar, director of physical infrastructure issues at the GSA, declined to deny reports that Clinton aides cut phone and computer lines, damage which is said to have run into thousands of dollars.

"My sense is there probably was some phones pulled, or whatever. I don't have a way to determine that," Ungar told the New York Times on Friday.

Another allegation, that White House computer keyboards had been vandalized, has already been admitted to by Clinton aides, the Times said.

Congressman Bob Barr (R-Ga), who first requested the GSA investigation, suggested that the final review missed much of the damage because the agency's responsibilites have nothing to do with office equipment, but with the condition of the office space instead.

The GSA's investigation into damage by Clinton aides was no doubt made more problematic by the directive issued by the Bush White House at the outset, which ordered that no formal investigation be undetaken and that no written records be kept.

"Our repair records do not contain information that would allow someone to determine the cause of damage being repaired," explained Phillip Larsen, director of the Bush White House Office of Administration.

Rep. Barr complained Friday that the decision not to document the damage caused by Clinton aides did not exonerate the former president's staff.

He called the GSA report "a disservice to the American taxpayers who deserve a full accounting of taxpayer property."

The flap over the GSA investigation mirrors denials over the story that scores of valuables went missing from Air Force One after the former first family's final flight home.

That story was broken by Washington Times reporter John McCaslin, who, like Drudge, continues to stand behind what his sources told him.
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Old 05-21-2001, 04:55 PM   #8
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In other words, Drudge heard obscene phone messages, then reported a case of full fledged vandalism. Sounds to me like Matt Drudge is just being himself. He's using his 'sources' instead of actually investigating the matter himself.

Good journalistic approach.
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Ahem,
Standing by your sources is newspeak for saying I did not make it up, but view my source as reliable. But I have no knowledge other than my faith in their reliablility. Then when asked who the sources are, they refuse to divulge. Therefore you do not even know if they had sources or not. Very Olson like.
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Old 05-21-2001, 06:03 PM   #10
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I guess I must be thrown into the "liberal" category for posting anything that shows the Republicans in anything that can be even remotely construed as a negative context, whether it's intended as such or not...

Typical. As always, more "if you're not with us you're against us" b.s. :mad:

The GSA report says what it says and Drudge can bash the previous administration with fabricated "evidence" until he's blue in the face but it won't change that fact.

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Old 05-21-2001, 06:08 PM   #11
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Old 05-21-2001, 06:17 PM   #12
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That much I can agree with, Big D, but IMHO he's (or his wife...) done enough in reality so that there's little need for people to fabricate stories about how his staff trashed everything when he left. So much for "journalistic integrity..."

There's no excuse for this type of slander, and I'd say the same if the situation were reversed (since, of course, I'm neither a Democrat nor a liberal...).
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Old 05-21-2001, 07:35 PM   #13
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So if the GSA shows up several weeks after the fact and writes a report that they see nothing, then that makes it absolute fact?

So if someone is murdered and the GSA shows up a couple weeks later and is unable to find any evidence that the murder occured then it can be concluded that nobody was actually murdered? Whatever.....
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Old 05-21-2001, 07:58 PM   #14
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Where exactly does it say the GSA showed up weeks after the fact?

Beyond that, why exactly should reports from an internet rumor-monger be held in higher esteem than the official results of the GSA's official investigation? We should believe that the previous administration's departure was not normal because Matt Drudge says so?

Talk about selective hearing...
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Old 05-21-2001, 08:06 PM   #15
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The GSA report was meaningless...Due to procedure the had to file a report, but the were instructed from the outset by Dubya that the issue was to be dropped and not to pursue anything...

So after being ordered by the President to drop the isssue do you actually think they were going to put anything substantial in their report?
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