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Old 05-24-2001, 03:45 PM  
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Ramifization of the Chiefs Continues...

New commentary at....

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Old 05-24-2001, 04:02 PM   #2
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A link to a Proctor rant. :D


"Archetypal Gunther Cunningham receiver"? Give me a F---ING break...he was an HC for 2 seasons. He's been a defensive coach his ENTIRE career...there's NO SUCH THING as a "Gunther Cunningham receiver".

Johnny must have failed to listen to what DV actually said, or he would have seen that DV did acknowledge the 54 receptions, and the fact that Minnis most likely won't push Sly for the weakside position.
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Old 05-24-2001, 04:09 PM   #3
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With all due respect to the Chaplain

Give it a rest Johnny!

For the love of God, we have yet to strap on our pads with Vermeil and you can't wait to defend Marty Guntherball. Well, I'll take, borrow or steal from the style of play that won the 2000 SuperBowl. You can have the brand of football that never won an AFC Conf Title even when we had home field advtg.

Just like Proctor, running into the trees cause he couldn't see the forest.
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Old 05-24-2001, 04:44 PM   #4
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Great to read anything about Football, and I really do enjoy your site Stephen.

That said, though, I am also a little tired of the doom and gloom of Proctor.

1. "they are looking for anybody that didn't succeed under Schottenheimer or Cunningham." Simply wrong. Patton has been called the General and praised by GR and DV. As have Hicks, Browning, VRiley, WShields, TRich, Tait, and TGonzo, as have many more. He has spoken praises about most of the team, and most of the team will be the same. Someone had to replace Hasty, and I don't mind them bringing in some Veteran to help teach the one year vets the system.

2. "The abject preference for draft choices" I'm not sure who is asking the questions of DV for the KCChiefs website, but they are the ones constantly harping on the rookies. When asked who looks good, he rarely volunteers the rookies' names.

3. Morris.. Below are the only comments I could find from DV on him:

"Q: Any thought on (WR) Sylvester Morris and his rookie year. Have you talked with him directly regarding the demands of his job and the expectations the team has for him ?

VERMEIL: "He didn't come out of a major, major college program. The high-pressure football is now and, overall, you'd probably have to say he handled the pressure pretty well last year. He got banged up but no rookie reports to an NFL training camp as well prepared to compete as (he) does (his) second year. Now they're in the off-season program.

"Sylvester obviously has some talent or they wouldn't have drafted him in the first round but he's got a lot of rough edges. Fortunately, we've got (wide receivers coach) Charlie Joiner and (offensive coordinator) Al Saunders here to help him. But he's got a lot of work. It takes time. He's not a fast-twitch guy and has got to add that to his profile as a receiver. We do everything in our pass offense as fast as we can do it off the line of scrimmage, run through breaks. We're not a chop step, cut-type team. He can do that but it's not his habit right now. He wants to learn."

There is nothing wrong with what he said and he did not say that Minnis might replace him. In fact, earlier in the same interview when asked about what Minnis brought to the team, he said that his first task would be just to make the team.

Take a chill pill for 80 more days, and then you can complain, if the Chiefs lose the ever important first exhibition game.

I know you have a personal attachment to GC but this is the best thing for the Chiefs, IMHO.

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Old 05-24-2001, 04:58 PM   #5
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Stephen,

When I click on Proctors latest column, it takes me to the May 8th article he wrote and not the 24th. I don't know if its a problem on my end or yours.

But, I will have to agree with the rest of the group if this is another pro Gunther/RBBC/Marty and anti Vermeil article.

It's ridiculous to comment on an offense that hasn't even run one play in full pads yet. If Proctor listened to Al Saunders on KCFX the other night, Saunders said this would be the Kansas City Chiefs offense because it will play to the strengths of the personnel we have here.

If Proctor did in fact say there was a Gunther Cunningham receiver than I will puke. I agree with HTIS, Cunningham's offenses never had a damn idenity for the two painful years he was the leader of our football team.

Big deal, he liked strong big receivers. He wasn't the first one to like receivers like this.

Give it up already Proctor. The red, white and yellow that you love so much now reside in Washington.

I think your very knowledgeable, but your Gunther and Marty homer glasses are taking away from seeing how much of a difference Dick Vermeil made on this team in four short months.

DV's four months drastically over-shadow Gunthers two years of hell with the Chiefs.

You may have enjoyed mediocrity the last two years, but I for one hated the lack of gameplans, no true running back, and the lack of discipline the Chiefs played with every week.

You can call us the Ramco's or it Martzyball all you want. I'd rather my team try to duplicate teams that have won 3 out of the last four Super Bowls.

How many titles did Martyball bring us again?
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Old 05-24-2001, 05:05 PM   #6
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Guys,

I don't agree with his opinion but there is nothing wrong with having differing opinions...It's healthy...Plus, when he is wrong you will have plenty of opportunity to shove a big wedge of crow down his throat....:p
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Old 05-24-2001, 05:25 PM   #7
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Punisher,

You are correct...Never been there so I guess I am a little out of touch on his usual commentary...

If all it takes is a little care package to sell him out then maybe DV's wife can knit him a sweater or something.:D
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Old 05-24-2001, 05:42 PM   #8
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Just another drop in Proctor's 'Trail Of Tears'. Come on Johnny get out of the past and start embracing your Chiefs.

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Old 05-24-2001, 05:50 PM   #9
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C'mon guys, it's Proctor's schtick. Just like Whitlock has his schtick (making dumbass comments) and Posnanski has his schtick (being sappy) Proctor needed a schtick, and his schtick is holding up the virtues of Martyball and the great Dumbther Cunningham...
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Old 05-24-2001, 05:57 PM   #10
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Proctor,

Like Bobby Bowden said when asked why he's been so successful and how a coach continues to be successful..."I have been willing to change with the times, most coaches have a so called philosophy, which is fine...only if its for the "now. The coaches that don't survive in the NCAA and in the pros are the ones that aren't willing to change with the times. Its kind of trendy, I know, but as long as it gets my boys a W, thats fine with me."

Well said by Bobby Bowden, IMO. In other words, Proctor, DV got a championship because he was willing to change his philosophy to the updated version...Marty is a stubborn coach, and so is his long lost brother, Gunther, and thats why they weren't successful, IMO.
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Old 05-24-2001, 06:14 PM   #11
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I'm in total agreement with the others here. We hired a TRUE head coach to run our program here not a puppet to CARL or a MARTY clone to implament "business as usual" with a club that had a losing record last year. I personally would have no respect for the guy if he didn't do the things he's doing.

I also think it's pretty obvious you read your own meanings into the things he says and develope your own opinions on what he doesn't say. [[ He has some rough edges ]] No kidding. I think we're all in agreement on that except for you. MORRIS DID come from a small program and is a "work in progress" as an NFL reciever. Sure he caught 54 passes last year. I should hope so considering he was the #2 reciever on a team which had one million pass attempts. Nothing against THE CAT. He will be the #2 this year but DV's comment was on the money.

[[ They are looking for anyone that didn't succeed under SHOTTENHEIMER and CUNNINGHAM ]]... Huh? I notice you didn't list any of those players you're talking about here. Give us 1 example of a guy who he hasn't praised who deserves it.
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Old 05-24-2001, 06:16 PM   #12
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"Sure he caught 54 passes last year. "

I think all 54 came in the SD game.:p
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Old 05-24-2001, 06:34 PM   #13
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Does Proctor post here? If so I would be real interested in seeing his prediction of the 2001 CHIEFS season.
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Old 05-24-2001, 06:49 PM   #14
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I wonder if Proctor would like some cheese with his whine.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. BUT ITS BROKE. FIX THE ****ING THING! :mad:

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Old 05-24-2001, 08:50 PM   #15
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Sometimes I think there should be a whole point counterpoint on ThaChops site, but then I realize that whoever provided the counterpoint would have to say the same thing over and over again to refute Johnny's tired monologue on the abandonment of the Chiefs True Heritage. I quit looking and actually feel fortunate that John has found his outlet somewhere other than this BB or at the Park for this stale rhetoric.

So I say thank you to ThaChop for giving John and outlet that I will continue to ignore.
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