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Old 09-21-2007, 07:04 PM  
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If Vermeil and Saunders were still here:

Do you really think we'd continue on the offensive tear we were on 2002-2005?

1. Roaf would have still retired.
2. Shields would have still retired.
3. Larry would have still held out.
4. Kennison would still have been our #1 WR - Vermeil/Saunders never addressed this while they were here - what makes you think they would have the last 2 years? Perhaps they still draft Bowe - but likely they would have drafted defense because Vermy could never get the defense fixed and they likely would still be trying to patch this up.
5. Trent would likely still be here. Would we even have drafted Croyle? Perhaps - or perhaps another draft pick is our so called QB of the future.
6. The one thing I believe may have been different is that I believe we likely would have kept T-Rich. While certainly an upgrade over Kris Wilson/Boomer, he's not the missing link.

So, we'd have basically the same team now, only with Trent as QB (and certainly not Brodie Croyle, or some other so-called QBOTF). Look at Trent with the Dolphins - he's not taking anyone anywhere anymore. We'd still be a team with a veteran offense that isn't going anywhere led by a veteran QB with no competent succession plan.

For those of you who think Herm is the one that ruined this offense - convince me that it wasn't Vermiel who really left this team on the verge of an offensive breakdown (and perhaps even he left because he saw this coming).
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:05 PM   #2
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I honestly think we'd be worse. The defense wouldn't be close to fixed.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:05 PM   #3
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well the offense couldn't be worse
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:07 PM   #4
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Exactly - We'd still be watching Eric Hicks for the Chiefs and Donnie Edwards who knows where.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:35 PM   #5
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Dick would have resigned Black to a $50,000,000 contract because he's the best offensive lineman *sniffle* that he's ever seen.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:55 PM   #6
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So, why does everyone think it was Herm who ruined this offense. I think Vermy left the team, perhaps intentionally to further his "legacy", in a state that this was inevitable.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:56 PM   #7
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Dick would have resigned Black to a $50,000,000 contract because he's the best offensive lineman *sniffle* that he's ever seen.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:23 PM   #8
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the offense would be much better

the defense would be significantly worse
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:27 PM   #9
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Exactly - We'd still be watching Eric Hicks for the Chiefs and Donnie Edwards who knows where.
I was going to say Willie Roaf would still be here, but the thought of Hicks still being here would offset it. What a sickening thought, now if only Bell would get moved.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:31 PM   #10
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So, why does everyone think it was Herm who ruined this offense. I think Vermy left the team, perhaps intentionally to further his "legacy", in a state that this was inevitable.
Your comments about the team being left bare of WRs, is kind of unfair. If you will remember, they were not drafting high enough to pick up any top WRs in those years. You sure as hell weren't going to pass on, LJ or DJ for any of the WRs that were available. They took a couple later round shots, remember Crap? Samie.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:33 PM   #11
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You make some outstanding points 77.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:35 PM   #12
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Why is Vermeil exonerated for crappy draft picks?

If he knew his shit we'd have drafted Bernard Berrian instead of Kris ****ing Wilson in '04. He would be the IDEAL replacement for Kennison. He also took Parker over Jerrico Cotchery.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:38 PM   #13
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You comments about the team being left bare of WRs, is kind of unfair. If you will remember, they were not drafting high enough to pick up any top WRs in those years. You sure as hell weren't going to pass on, LJ or DJ for any of the WRs that were available. They took a couple later round shots, remember Crap? Samie.
I agree with you - but that's my point. I'm not saying they should have taken WRs over LJ or DJ. Or, over Tamba last year. I'm simply saying, that if Vermeil was still around, it is hard to see how this offense would be much better than it is now. Vermeil left at the right time - and he knew it.

I just think people are all unfair to think that Herm ruined this offense. If Vermeil was still around, we'd be marginally better, mainly because we would still be QB'd by Trent, but he is certainly showing signs of decline. We'd be marginally better, with either no Croyle at all, or no chance that we'd play the young guy once we fell to 1-3 or 1-4. If we even had a prospective QBOTF at all.

Vermeil left an aging offense with no capable players to step in where others left and/or declined.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:41 PM   #14
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Why is Vermeil exonerated for crappy draft picks?

If he knew his shit we'd have drafted Bernard Berrian instead of Kris ****ing Wilson in '04. He would be the IDEAL replacement for Kennison. He also took Parker over Jerrico Cotchery.
I cant see that he did exonerate DV.

As for Berrian & Cotchery, its easy in hindsight to say "what about these guys"...but their first 2 or 3 years were pathetic, this whole board would have been calling for their summary executions.
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:42 PM   #15
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Why is Vermeil exonerated for crappy draft picks?

If he knew his shit we'd have drafted Bernard Berrian instead of Kris ****ing Wilson in '04. He would be the IDEAL replacement for Kennison. He also took Parker over Jerrico Cotchery.
Ha! Reminds me of my fantasy draft this year, taking Ahman Green and Brandon Jackson 2 picks ahead of Randy Moss.
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