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Old 06-06-2001, 06:46 AM  
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Ranking of the top NFL Coaches

Ok, now one of you... Titus, I think will say that I'm just throwing out some underhanded smack. That's not the case.

Check out this ranking from a guy at CBS...
[url]http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pressbox/0,1328,3969965,00.html[/url]

Now, I agree with him (of course) about Shannahan, but I found it very warming to see 4 AFC West Head Coaches listed in the Top 8 of the NFL. Shannahan #1, Holmgren #2, Gruden #3 and Vermeil #8.

The offseason has been very interesting for our division and despite what you think of Rice, he will be a threat even at the age of 39.

Now, if Denver had signed him then JQ would be saying that we just wasted money on a 4 year contract that is really only a 1 or 2 year deal and that Rice may not make it through the year b/c of his age and past injuries. However, now I'm sure that Oakland will have the most potent WR corp in his eyes. I'd spin it that way as well, but I still like Griese/Ed/Rod/Kennison over Gannon/Brown/Rice/Jett (or Rison).

Speaking of Oakland...
Gannon/Brown/Rice/Jett and/or Rison/Wheatley/Garner

That's a pretty damn good team right there, the TE escapes me right now, but if they have that group above they should be pretty powerful. But, if Gannon goes down, it's all over. Hoying? Puh-leeze!!

If Griese goes down, then we're looking at Steve or Gus, and if Steve is healthy ... look out, brutha! He'll definitely have the players he needs to be successful!

Anyway... I thought the ranking was pretty interesting.
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Old 06-06-2001, 07:06 AM   #2
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I'm not sure about that ranking...I mean, what exactly has Gruden done to be ranked with Shanny and Holmgren?

BTW, the TE for the Raiders is Roland Williams - they signed him from the Rams...
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Old 06-06-2001, 07:24 AM   #3
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Yeah, I think Gruden might have been ranked a bit high, but I would definitely put him in the top 7 or 8.
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Old 06-06-2001, 07:42 AM   #4
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Martz ahead of Mora????
Gruden ahead of Marty and Cowher???
Bullhockey.
Best coaches (not in order):
Shanny, Green, Cowher, Marty, Mora, Reeves, Vermiel.
OVER RATED:
Holmy, Gruden, Martz, Holmy, Gruden.
Just below the top tier:
Dungy, Coughlin, Fassel, Wannestadt, Fisher.

Best-with the-least award: Bill Cowher. Gets clobbered every winter/spring with FA and still claws his way to the top.

Worst with the most award: Holmy. C'mon. This guys is shooting to break .500 after he was supposed to make the Seahags the new 9ers.

Snake-bitten:
Marty
Mora
Green

Up and coming:
Billick, Gruden, Andy Reid

Time to go:
Reeves, Vermiel.

Biggest disappointments:
Siefert, Holmy, Riley.

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Old 06-06-2001, 07:49 AM   #5
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Exactly how many times must a coach fail in the playoffs before you wake up to the fact that the reason these coaches are snake-bitten is because they just don't get it?:confused:
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:03 AM   #6
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You may have a point with Mora, but not with Green and Schottenheimer. These guys were a couple of bad bounces/FG attempts from advancing to the Big Dance.
You have your take, I have mine. Personally, I'd put Mora in that category, too. He had several very fine Saints teams in the 90s that broke hearts in the post season.

What do you expect from me? I'm a Utah Jazz fan and have been watching Jerry Sloan gugh this same nightnmare for most of my adult life!

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Old 06-06-2001, 08:19 AM   #7
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Green is exactly has been exactly the type of coach you are moaning about in regards to VD. An offensive minded coach that has yet to address his team's defensive definciancies in his years as Viking HC.
If you think so highly of him, then you should be ecstatic with VD, otherwise you are just setting a double standard.
Green hasn't made it to the SB because that team can't stop anybody from scoring.
Marty and Mora are just the exact opposite. They get frightened of mistakes on offense, use a passive gameplan in the playoffs, and can't get to the SB because they play not to lose.

As I said about Marty and Mora on another thread a couple of weeks ago, these guys are the new M and Ms.
They just melt in the playoffs.
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:20 AM   #8
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:D HeHeHe

Now I finally get it, KCJ is catholic and this is not his original life but his personal purgatory.

Doomed to love coaches and their teams that can get close but never win the big dance.

So Chiefs get Vermiel and he realizes that if they win the big dance with him his stay iin purgatory will get extended.

Would make a great twilight zone epsiode ;)
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:21 AM   #9
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MHM: I see nothing underhanded about your post. Besides, Im really hurting for some good smack/cut paste stuff so it made for a good read.

With Gibbs gone as OL coach/Asst head coach and the interior OL aging, it will be interesting if the plug-n-play RB's will continue to tear up the league. Shanny's two rings came via this system with TD and Elway at the helm. Had Elway had a running game in his previous SB's, Shanny wouldnt get as much credit.
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:27 AM   #10
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Ok, now why do you get to use the "system" word now? :-)
I agree to a point about that remark. Had Elway been 1-2 and not 0-3, then maybe Shannahan wouldn't be so high on the list. But, the guy is damn good.

As for the OL - that is the one area that greatly concerns me. I don't know that they have replaced the talent they lost with Schlereth and Jones. Gibbs will be a "consultant", but I think you'll see his fingerprints all over the OL still in 2001.
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:28 AM   #11
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Jim:
Did I mention all the years I suffered through the Orioles nearly getting to the WS?

Hopefully, this does have a purging effect on me.

Seriously, sometimes VERY good coaches don't get to the SB, WS or NBA Title game. That's just how it is. I would rather have a Marty or a Dennis Green and the good (luck?) fortune to happen upon a Kurt Warner or a Terrell Davis who can take the team the last step. But in my mind, you have to have a coach who can get you to the post season nearly every year, and that is something that Mora, Green and Marty have consistently done. You can't go to the SB if you make the playoffs.

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Old 06-06-2001, 08:29 AM   #12
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Dangit... sorry Joe! Just noticed you posted the same topic before I did. I wasn't paying attention...
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:34 AM   #13
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So true for your "snake-bitten" coaches.

[U]Quote from KCJohnny[/U]
You can't go to the SB if you make the playoffs.


Is a Freudian(sp) slip possible when typing?

But is [I]is[/I] so true when talking about the new M and Ms and Green.
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:34 AM   #14
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KCJohnny, I'm surprised you didn't list Haslett (NO) in any of your catagories. I think he deserves to at least be in your "up and coming".

And how can Billick be in "up and coming" when he just won the Superbowl? I'd think once he won the superbowl, he ain't coming, he's already here.
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Old 06-06-2001, 08:35 AM   #15
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I have no problem conceding Shanny as the best coach in the NFL.
Strokes my ego.
Gun was 4-0 against Shanny.
Question is, can Shanny transistion the '96-97 Donx into a new dynasty with Griese, Andersen, etc...instead of Elway, Davis, etc...

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