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Old 04-08-2009, 03:57 AM   #4141
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Meltzer put out a list of WWE's all-time top money makers just a little while ago. HBK was on the bottom end of the top ten. I don't think Warrior was in the top 25.
I stand corrected. Warrior was in the top 25. He's #24, tied with Batista.

HBK is #10 on the nose, incidentally.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:55 AM   #4142
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Here's the problem: You don't have territories to build guys any more. There isn't any place for people to ply their craft. Furthermore, the territory system would teach guys to wrestle different styles, whether or not it was Strong Style (like the Harts) or the Southern style.

Imagine a pitcher who was able to learn 4 good pitches before being called up, and got to build up from 120 to 150 to 180 to then 200 innings. He'd be much better prepared than a guy who went straight from high school to high A, and then got called up in September and was thrust into a make-it-or-break-it role in the big leagues.

Of course, Vince destroyed the territories, so it's largely he who benefits and suffers from their decline (although not nearly as much suffering as we do).
I'd say now, if you were to see what the best comparison to the territories is, it would be the various Independent feds. ROH is obviously at the top, with a mix of different styles and sizes (pure wrestling, brawling, comedy stuff, etc.). PWG out in Cali is like a mini-ROH but focuses a little more on comedy and blood feuds. CZW out in Philly is like a wannabe hardcore ECW with a little pure wrestling thrown in. And there's Chikara, mainly focused on really goofy characters and high-flyers. There are many others (IWA-MS, NWA, etc.).

The problem is, the indies could be a great farm system for WWE and TNA, but the talent doesn't get used properly. Stars of the indies that go to TNA end up being being booked in a completely retarded fashion (mainly look at Samoa Joe's recent run). As for WWE, Vince does not like performers that he did not create, so he re-names these guys (CM Punk being an exception to the rule) and gives them characters they weren't used to portraying. And while many of the wrestlers in the indies are great overall performers (Danielson, Aries, Quackenbush, etc.), they aren't big lumbering jerkoffs, so Vince doesn't think they will draw.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:30 AM   #4143
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Yeah got to admit I really respected steamboat back in the day. But after hearing the story about a young wrestler on the plane I thought to myself oh god it's HHH again. I lost a little respect for him. When I saw that kolo b ware got in I thought man he really must have kissed vinces a@@ to get in. I like HHH but it does look like everyone kisses his butt.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:32 AM   #4144
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Yeah got to admit I really respected steamboat back in the day. But after hearing the story about a young wrestler on the plane I thought to myself oh god it's HHH again. I lost a little respect for him. When I saw that kolo b ware got in I thought man he really must have kissed vinces a@@ to get in. I like HHH but it does look like everyone kisses his butt.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:35 AM   #4145
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I stand corrected. Warrior was in the top 25. He's #24, tied with Batista.

HBK is #10 on the nose, incidentally.
You've got to be kidding. Warrior is a wrestling Icon. Batista is an over roided freak with 0 lasting power.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:37 AM   #4146
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this is play...it is all pretend....it is all staged....it is not real
He's talking about backstage politics.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:38 AM   #4147
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I know it's fake but the politics are real and HHH appears to be great at it.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:40 AM   #4148
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By the way talking bout koko in the hall of fame what did he do in his career to deserve this honor?
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:42 AM   #4149
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By the way talking bout koko in the hall of fame what did he do in his career to deserve this honor?
He was black.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:48 PM   #4150
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Did you guys see that the HOF speeches were all written by WWE, and that they played music to get Bill Watts off the stage after he went completely off-script? Jesus Christ. Classy.

So that explains Steamboat's HHH plane story, CA.

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Old 04-08-2009, 08:50 PM   #4151
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Did you guys see that the HOF speeches were all written by WWE, and that they played music to get Bill Watts off the stage after he went completely off-script? Jesus Christ. Classy.

So that explains Steamboat's HHH plane story, CA.
That's disgusting.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:51 PM   #4152
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:58 PM   #4153
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Haha. Crazy racists. Good theme though back in the day.

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Old 04-08-2009, 11:51 PM   #4154
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Just saw the latest ROH videowire, here it is:



Right at the very end, they have a preview of Joey Ryan coming into ROH. They are really starting to stockpile talent right now. In the past several months, they have added:

D Lo Brown
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Colt Cabana

Add in there that eventually Paul London most likely will come back. I imagine they will lose a few guys to WWE or TNA by summertime but they still have quite a roster even if they take some hits.
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Old 04-09-2009, 12:15 AM   #4155
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Did you guys see that the HOF speeches were all written by WWE, and that they played music to get Bill Watts off the stage after he went completely off-script? Jesus Christ. Classy.
Where did you read that? I heard that because they wanted to cut things down this year, they had the HOFers work with the writers to hone their speeches. But its not like they just handed them scripts to read. And a few reports said Watts got cut off because he went way past the time limit, and they were actually flashing the :00 clock at him for several minutes.

Supposedly they realized that cutting everyones time was a lousy idea, so hopefully that is the end of that.
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