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Old 01-30-2012, 08:50 PM   #7891
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If I had to guess, it'll be Punk vs. Jericho, Orton (as WHC) vs. Sheamus and Bryan vs. some other random guy.

But there's obviously still plenty of time between now & then...
I do think it will be Punk vs. Jericho, but I don't see Orton as WHC though. I see it as Bryan vs. Sheamus. To me it seems like Jericho will headline as a way to bring him back after the layover. With Bryan vs. Sheamus, this is a good chance to promote others and what better way than Wrestlemania. They are going to want to have a showstopping title events with those four if they want any chance of trumping the Rock vs. Cena.
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No shock, the Undertaker is back again. I do still think he has the best entrance and best music entrance in the business.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:22 PM   #7895
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Old 01-31-2012, 03:51 AM   #7897
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That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match.

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:48 AM   #7898
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That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match.

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.
Excellent analysis. I still love the Undertakers entrance although him and HHH have outlived their usefulness as wrestlers. It seems as if the WWE wont let them fade into history and move on. But they do tend to hold on to their superstars past their prime ala Hogan when they bought out WCW. The WWE needs to move in another direction and it needs to be without the "old guard".
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:43 AM   #7899
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So it looks like it won't be mark henry. SDEC is Daniel Bryan vs. Great Khali (replacing injured Mark Henry) vs. Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Wade Barrett vs. Randy Orton.

God, that just looks awful. Khali and Big Show? Looking at that, my guess is Orton. Although that would make it competing faces at mania. So who knows.

Orton and Danielson match next week.
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Mizark has been genuinely fantastic since I started watching again (July). Even his promo work seemed to have improved tenfold. Poor guy. I'm really glad he's getting a rest, it's just too bad it took getting extra injuries and is probably going to miss an unbelievably well-deserved Mania payday as a result.

I can only pray Bryan keeps the built until Mania. His heat could be nuclear by then if they keep this up.

Also, I want Ziggler to retire Taker next year. **** YOU I WANT IT.
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Also, I wasn't watching wrestling when the Elimination Chamber came into being but I've never really liked the idea of it (the time Edge won was pretty cool, I guess?) and hate that they devote a yearly PPV to it, especially in the PPV after the Rumble of all places (yay, let's do the bunch-of-guys-could-become-champion PPV when we should be building up to WrestleMania!).

This is only made clearer by how hilariously weak both chambers are this year, though at least the Raw one has guys I mostly like.
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That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match.

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.
Agreed on pretty much everything. I'm not surprised that Taker-HHH ended the show, they're returning and fans tend to mark out much more for returns than for amazing wrestling matches.

I'd love to see a Beth/Kharma/Natty Triple Threat at Mania, but Natty seems to be jobbed out every week nowadays. Pisses me off.

I'm curious to see where D-Bry lands, because I don't think he'll be the champ and probably not in the title picture (although he needs to be). I have a hard time coming up with any faces that I really want to see him wrestle, but I guess we'll see.

I have zero interest in Taker, HHH, Sheamus or Orton. Just sayin...

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Also, I wasn't watching wrestling when the Elimination Chamber came into being but I've never really liked the idea of it (the time Edge won was pretty cool, I guess?) and hate that they devote a yearly PPV to it, especially in the PPV after the Rumble of all places (yay, let's do the bunch-of-guys-could-become-champion PPV when we should be building up to WrestleMania!).

This is only made clearer by how hilariously weak both chambers are this year, though at least the Raw one has guys I mostly like.
I enjoyed the first Chamber match way back in 2002 when HBK won the belt. It was a good mach, innovative at the time and had a pretty cool story. But yeah, having an entire PPV devoted to it just dilutes the title picture and does nothing for about 4 of the 6 guys in the match. Same with the Hell in a Cell & Money in the Bank PPVs. Overkill.

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Whether it's Ziggler or somebody else, that's what it should be for. Not HHH.

I think the concept of Elimination Chamber sort of represents everything that's wrong with the company right now. You have the royal rumble ostensibly to give somebody a chance at a wrestlemania main event. Yet a month later, 5 guys get a chance at winning the title (and same said main event). Although the reality is that in that match, there are 4 guys who have no chance of winning. The title has no value anymore, they can't turn people into stars (look what they did with Sheamus the year he was supposed to wrestle HHH at mania...). It's just...ugh.

I will say, though, this is looking like one of the best mania cards of all time. Although I almost dread what kind of bullshit "celebrity" angle they're going to come up with. Even if it really is big slow and shaq. But I guess that would beat the 3rd rate reality star of the moment.
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