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Old 10-07-2007, 09:13 PM  
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:22 PM   #856
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:25 PM   #857
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These original plans you've spoken of have been wrong at every step. We already went over this before.

Dirt sheets can't be trusted.

First it was HHH beats Hardy---Wrong
Then it was HHH beats Orton---Wrong
Then it was HHH wins the Rumble---Wrong.

Here's a ? I have, if HHH does mainevent, do they turn him heel or Cena, cause one of them will have to be unless both Cena and HHH wrestle Orton in a triple threat. Then you can keep them both face. Otherwise, your *plan* requires more convoluted booking than a 2000 version of Nitro.
Because they didn't do the same thing last year with HBK and Cena....

Also when you read plants you have to gauge off them because shit changes every 5 minutes. People get all up in arms about what Meltzer says and call it smarkbait or some shit like that, as quick as plans change it's hard to keep up...

But when I said original plans I was talking all the way back to their long term plans back before Cena was injured. With everyone available they were prepared to go into Mania without him maineventing. Now things change but just pointing out they had those thoughts at 1 time.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:26 PM   #858
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And this crowd lost all cool points, if you wanna gain them for booing Cena you lose all of them for cheering the midget.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:38 PM   #859
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Because they didn't do the same thing last year with HBK and Cena....

Also when you read plants you have to gauge off them because shit changes every 5 minutes. People get all up in arms about what Meltzer says and call it smarkbait or some shit like that, as quick as plans change it's hard to keep up...

But when I said original plans I was talking all the way back to their long term plans back before Cena was injured. With everyone available they were prepared to go into Mania without him maineventing. Now things change but just pointing out they had those thoughts at 1 time.
One of the main forms of counterintelligence is disinformation. It benefits the WWE to do things like toss false dirt sheets to the smarks.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:41 PM   #860
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One of the main forms of counterintelligence is disinformation. It benefits the WWE to do things like toss false dirt sheets to the smarks.
Well it depends who you are reading, I think some people think if they aren't right 100% of the time then it means they are stupid and never right.

Meltzer and Alvarez tend to be more credible than say Wade Keller. Now I expect Cena to mainevent and go over because it is by far the right thing to do, but this is a company that has screwed up more times than can be counted.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:54 PM   #861
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:00 PM   #862
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I'm kind of glad the WWE has put (or tried to put) the ixnay on newsleaks, because it allows something like Cena's return last night.

It's something I've learned over the years from spoiler sites on movies: knowing what's going to happen can really take the magic out of it sometimes.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:03 PM   #863
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JBL is like a vacuum that sucks all life out of Raw. The show was really entertaining up until the main event, then it's 3 good wrestlers and jiggly out there.

All-in-all not a bad show, though.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:15 PM   #864
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Ok, I'll definitely look at it, and spill seed while looking at it, but is anyone else a little bit disappointed that Maria posed nude?

It must be the GND thing. Once again, not a bad thing, but it seems more like something Mickie (again) or Melina would do.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:16 PM   #865
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Not that she's particularly 'classy' to start with, but it does kind of kill any class and/or mystique she might have, yeah.

At least she won't be spreading the open stab wound the way Mickie did (not that I didn't enjoy that, either).
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:33 PM   #866
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Another thought is that Ron Killings may show up around NWO. Although unlike big show, I think he may need some build; I'm not sure anybody outside of a million or so people that follow TNA will have any idea who the random black dude that just showed up is.
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:47 PM   #867
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Killings will probably end up a part of the SD/ECW crew and I don't expect him till after Mania since they consider that "the start of the new year"
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Old 01-29-2008, 12:05 AM   #868
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Either way H is going to weasel his way into the mainevent at the expense of someone.
Every scenario for the main event has involved HHH being in it. So how would he be weasling his way into something he's always been in?

About the sheets, Meltzer tells the exact same story every year, starting in around August about how "the plan for Mania is for the belt to go to HHH". When was the last time that actually happened? Everyone was convinced he was beating Cena when they wrestled two years ago because it's all Meltzer was saying for months on end. Not only didn't he beat him, he never got the belt at all.

And about the "original" Mania plans, it wasn't a fact that Cena wouldn't be in a title match. When Meltzer first talked about it, he said HHH vs. Kennedy (when Kennedy was going to be Vince's son) would be for the title. But he said a week or two later on his audio show that he was just assuming, because Cena vs. Batista (the pre-injury plan) was a big enough match that he didn't think it needed a world title involved to draw.

But he said Cena/Batista could easily be the title match and HHH/Kennedy could be the big McMahon jerk-off with Vince dragging the whole family out again. He said they probably hadn't thought far enough ahead yet to know who they'd have the titles on by then, and at that early stage they just had ideas for matches they wanted.

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And if he were to go over Cena it would be pretty typical WWE.
How's that? Cena has been booked like for 3 years straight. The last two endings of WrestleMania have been Cena defending his title and winning. He's not an up and comer trying to break though. HHH is not holding him down.

Regardless of who he wrestles, he can stand to lose a match. Cena defending the title AGAIN and winning AGAIN is not going to do anything for WWE's business, except annoy the legions of people who already think he's being shoved down their throats. And I like Cena. But further making him look unbeatable isn't going to suddenly start a big ratings upswing.

I can't see them changing the world title twice in about a month, though, from Orton to Cena and then Cena to whoever. So I would guess either Cena wins at Mania or he's not in the title match.
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Old 01-29-2008, 12:27 AM   #869
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In fairness the guy is their biggest draw and those guys rarely lose at Mania, faces almost always go over at Mania and top draws as well.

How many times did Hogan do a Mania job?

I like to take shots at Triple H because the guy in all fairness completely bucks things that everyone else went with. Here's an example...an incoming heel champion has only won at Mania 3 times in a mainevent match...H has 2 of those wins...

I've been to shows, Cena is the most over guy out there. He moves the most product he makes them the most money, so apparently a good majority of their audience doesn't reject him. He usually only gets that reaction in the smarky towns who think it's cool to boo the face wrestler.

I'm not even a Cena fan but he shouldn't be jobbing very often. His counterparts are Randy Orton who is a younger guy but isn't in his class..and a couple 40 year olds hangin on. Then there's Jericho who the WWE will never push as a top guy...Jeff Hardy who is major over but will probably always be stuck in the between spot and then there's JBL..the fat man titty havin guy that is treated like he was a huge star..that one I don't get.
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It was kind of funny last night at the rumble when it came down to triple h, batista and cena. It was like "which guy's going to blow a tire first?"

It amazes me that Cena's back. I'm not sure it's the smartest thing to do, but you have to respect a guy that's really putting himself on the line for a job he legitimately seems to love. Guys like hhh and batista give off this vibe that they're in the business for some other reason, maybe for themselves, but Cena doesn't. At least not to me.

I've said it before, but I absolutely hated the guy three years ago. But he's really grown on me.

He's going to be protected, too, backstage. Stephanie essentially "discovered" him. He has the big guns behind him.

Hell, can you see HHH doing the job he did Sunday for anybody else? Guy returns early from injury and Hun-Tor takes the fall. And then the next night on raw they have no kind of confrontation at all, no setup to prove Hun-Tor's supremacy...
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