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Old 01-27-2013, 10:55 PM   #8806
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oh correct that, he actually has TWO movies coming out between February and March

and hes going to be at WWE while he has two obligations by Hollywood studios to promote their products as Dwayne the Hollywood actor?

I find this very hard to believe he will be around much until like 3 weeks before WM.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:42 AM   #8807
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Rock's scheduled for tons and tons of dates between now and mania. Many more than last year.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:52 AM   #8808
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I haven't watched the product in a solid three years. That said, I've been plowing through WWE bios on Netflix as I battle insomnia the last few weeks, so I've been glancing at this thread with mildly piqued interest.

Is the disdain for Rock because he's a derivative PG-version of himself, because he's going to dump the belt to Cena for another reign of terror, or because he beat Punk?

Second question and third question: I watched Orton's bio the other night, which was odd because it actually stayed in kayfabe while being a legit bio. He said his first suspension was actually due to an overdose on sleeping pills, whereas the going story was always that he got caught smoking weed backstage.

Did he actually OD on sleeping pills, or was he caught using other substances as well? Secondly, when he got suspended last year, was it due to 'roids and pot or other drugs?

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:58 AM   #8809
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Just to add my "what I'd have done instead": I'd have had Punk retain, leading to a match with Undertaker at mania, belt streak versus mania streak. Taker wins, retires and vacates title. Punk's a bigger star for retaining versus Rock and main eventing versus Taker, even with a loss at mania.

I have no idea who Punk feuds with now. I can't imagine anything that will be worth a damn. I guess he'll be one of the guys in the EC match, but after that? Who in the world is there for him to feud with. He has to be going back to the mid card and some obscure match down at the bottom of the mania card.

Taker? No idea if he's even wrestling. We'll probably find out tomorrow. I hope it's not HHH again. But who am I kidding. It's HHH again.

Like I said, I get Rock having the belt. Maybe he can make it a big deal. But he and Cena don't need a title to establish the main event. And I can't imagine anything worse than the belt inevitably ending up on Cena so he can go on an even longer title reign than Punk.

The Rumble match tonight did absolutely nothing for anybody. Put Ziggler over, he has the briefcase and the Rumble win. Has that ever happened? Hotshot him going into wrestlemania. Find another way to get Cena involved with the Rock. Put somebody else over. But no, they do the absolute worst thing possible, have it end up with Ryback, Sheamus and Cena. Ziggler loses again. Because that's all he ever does. Because that's what Vince does to establish people. And it never, ever works. They should've turned him, given him the New Flair gimmick, put him on a win streak, kept Miz a heel.

Of course I'm the minority here. In the big picture, joe sixpack average fan probably loved that faces won every match tonight, and the same old guys are back at the top again.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:24 AM   #8810
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Seriously cm punk is the champ for over 14 months and he loses to a elbow drop
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Taker? No idea if he's even wrestling. We'll probably find out tomorrow. I hope it's not HHH again. But who am I kidding. It's HHH again.
Ugh, please know. I figured it would be HHH/Lesnar at Mania.

I can't wait to go Mania only to watch the inevitable Cena win over Rock. The only hope is the microscopic chance of a heal turn.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:30 AM   #8811
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Apparently ATM its Jericho/Ryback for Wrestlemania. ?
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:31 AM   #8812
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PG Rock is almost unwatchable.

The Attitude Era "Corporate" Champion Rock is what's needed for TV.


I know that SCSA "shouldn't" be able to wrestle again.

But there is a much needed Rock vs Stone Cold WM........"One more match"
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:40 AM   #8813
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I am biased as I am a huge fan, but if WWE had any balls they would have Punk end Taker's streak at WM. By having Taker continue to beat people at WM helps nobody other than his own ego. It is a long and storied tradition that wrestlers leave the business with their shoulders pinned to pass the torch to the next guy. So if Taker is retiring, Punk should be that guy to get the torch.

The storyline is simple. Punk comes out, says he had a legendary streak with the world title belt, now he is aiming higher and going after THE streak.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:44 AM   #8814
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I am biased as I am a huge fan, but if WWE had any balls they would have Punk end Taker's streak at WM. By having Taker continue to beat people at WM helps nobody other than his own ego. It is a long and storied tradition that wrestlers leave the business with their shoulders pinned to pass the torch to the next guy. So if Taker is retiring, Punk should be that guy to get the torch.

The storyline is simple. Punk comes out, says he had a legendary streak with the world title belt, now he is aiming higher and going after THE streak.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:22 AM   #8815
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Is the disdain for Rock because he's a derivative PG-version of himself, because he's going to dump the belt to Cena for another reign of terror, or because he beat Punk?
Never been a fan of the Rock, hell I cant stand Cena either but I found myself cheering for him at WM last year vs Rock.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:06 AM   #8816
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WWE has no respect for their own product. I'm still mad at that finish. Like, actual seething anger. A retired wrestler -- a Hollywood actor -- has two matches in the last 10 years and they both are victories against your kayfabe two "best" wrestlers? A ****ing actor comes in and ends Punk's 434-day title reign with an elbow drop? That shows disrespect, even contempt, for your current roster. It makes every single active WWE wrestler look kayfabe pathetic.

Ending Punk's reign should have been something that makes a new star out of someone. Having The Rock end it (in such a terribly executed way to boot) doesn't help your product at all.

Is there anyone on planet Earth who is going to buy Wrestlemania now that the WWE championship is on the line with Cena/Rock II that WASN'T already going to buy Wrestlemania with just a no-belt Cena/Rock II match on the card?

It's so ****ing easy to make WWE programming both compelling and profitable, and WWE just can't stay out of their own way.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:11 AM   #8817
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My watch party seemed to think that we were still headed for Punk/Undertaker at 'Mania. That match would have been ten times more compelling if Punk still had the title. A reigning, defending WWE champion for 500+ days coming in to take on The Streak? Awesome. Keg is absolutely right here. You have to give audiences a reason to think that Undertaker could lose.

How is an audience supposed to feel threatened by CM Punk now? He hasn't won clean on a PPV in like half a year, and his whole gimmick has been "my belt means I'm better than you." Now that he doesn't have the belt how's he supposed to be compelling (I have faith he'll figure something out).

I'm mostly sad that Punk's title reign -- THE story of 2012 -- had no satisfying narrative resolution. You could argue that the man he attacked to turn heel was the one who ended the reign, and that provides some resolution, but I don't buy it. You build up Punk to have a reign of terror and it gets snuffed out. Ended T.S. Eliot style, not with a bang but a whimper.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:21 AM   #8818
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WWE has no respect for their own product. I'm still mad at that finish. Like, actual seething anger. A retired wrestler -- a Hollywood actor -- has two matches in the last 10 years and they both are victories against your kayfabe two "best" wrestlers? A ****ing actor comes in and ends Punk's 434-day title reign with an elbow drop? That shows disrespect, even contempt, for your current roster. It makes every single active WWE wrestler look kayfabe pathetic.

Ending Punk's reign should have been something that makes a new star out of someone. Having The Rock end it (in such a terribly executed way to boot) doesn't help your product at all.

Is there anyone on planet Earth who is going to buy Wrestlemania now that the WWE championship is on the line with Cena/Rock II that WASN'T already going to buy Wrestlemania with just a no-belt Cena/Rock II match on the card?

It's so ****ing easy to make WWE programming both compelling and profitable, and WWE just can't stay out of their own way.
I agree that the way Punk lost was stupid and that it is somewhat disrespectful to the guys that bust their ass everyday to have Rock win the title when he is only there maybe 5-10 days a year.

On the flip side it is all about the Benjamin's and with Rock having the title while promoting his movies will help the WWE.
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Also, WWE Champions are expected to wrestle house shows. You think Dwayne is going to go on the road? Nope. Think about if you were a paying customer, who two months ago bought a ticket for you and a ticket for each of your two sons, for a house show near you. You aren't even going to see the company champion for your money. Unprecedented, as far as I know.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:38 AM   #8820
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Rock's scheduled for tons and tons of dates between now and mania. Many more than last year.
so was Brock Lesnar and look how that turned out.

The Rock has two movies out and whatever promotion schedule Hollywood demands of him so we will see how juggles both. Hollywood hates his wrestling schedule and that is a fact, it has come out a few times how they dont want him near the WWE when a movie drops so they can go send him on a promo tour, cause that's how movie studios work.

It's the same with Jericho and his crappy metal band. If he wants to tour, he goes and tours for music, not wrestling.
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