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Old 10-13-2007, 11:31 PM  
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Yeah, so I saw a lot of movies this weekend.

Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Mediocre, at best. Slow and dragged on. Shorten it to 2 hours and it's golden. It's not, so it fails.

Michael Clayton - Amazing. Everything about it is awesome. However, it's VERY complex and mind bending. You have to think, so be prepared. I still feel like I'm missing key details of exactly what happened. Gotta see it again.

Across the Universe - Perfect is one word that comes to mind. It just works. And, contrary to many people I bet, the movie is best viewed sober. Trust me.
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:57 AM   #7171
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Why?
I already answered that.
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:09 PM   #7172
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I already answered that.
Not in that last post, you didn't. You answered that you were annoyed at the film because of your desire to see the death of a character that has earned your emotional investment.

My question is why do you have that desire? And not just you. Why does pretty much everyone naturally have that desire?

Of course, the film (and, similarly, the Cormac McCarthy novel it was adapted from) is intentionally trying to get the audience to think about that very question. It is a film about the impersonal nature of evil, about man's solipsistic conception of evil ("why does this bad stuff happen to me? What did I do?"), and about exploring and challenging the artistic construction of genre works and some of the more universal aspects of storytelling.

People are supposed to feel annoyed or cheated by the film, but they're also supposed to think about why they feel the way they do. When people say that they don't like No Country for Old Men, they often really mean "I don't like self-reflection."
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:23 PM   #7173
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:20 PM   #7174
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Because it sucked. I've discussed that overrated ****ing piece of shit far too much. Glad their back on track now.

If you want to argue about it some more, search for some of my years old posts which would still hold my same opinions, and pretend like I just retyped them. Perhaps you should eat some wine and cheese while reading them. It will help.

I still like Batman Begins better than Dark Knight, too. Hopefully that still offends the hell out of you too!
You remind me of those uber-conservative types and your reaction to anything that is even slightly different than what you are used to is "WHAT A MINUTE! THIS IS DIFFERENT! I CANT HANDLE THIS"

you sound like a whiny bitch, tbh.
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:20 PM   #7175
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I'm a fan of these xmen movies, I liked all of them, at least a little.
They're good. The last one was trash, especially how they screwed up Jean Grey's Phoenix character. Total screw job, much like how they totally ****ed up the Silver Surfer story in that FF movie. [/nerd]
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Not in that last post, you didn't. You answered that you were annoyed at the film because of your desire to see the death of a character that has earned your emotional investment.

My question is why do you have that desire? And not just you. Why does pretty much everyone naturally have that desire?

Of course, the film (and, similarly, the Cormac McCarthy novel it was adapted from) is intentionally trying to get the audience to think about that very question. It is a film about the impersonal nature of evil, about man's solipsistic conception of evil ("why does this bad stuff happen to me? What did I do?"), and about exploring and challenging the artistic construction of genre works and some of the more universal aspects of storytelling.

People are supposed to feel annoyed or cheated by the film, but they're also supposed to think about why they feel the way they do. When people say that they don't like No Country for Old Men, they often really mean "I don't like self-reflection."
I was supposed to get all of that out of "why"?

I actually liked the movie I just hated that they show you all his kills except that one. Even though I hate the bad guy getting away it didn't kill the movie for me.

god forbid that I didn't like the death we didn't get to see. Its just my opinion.
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I was supposed to get all of that out of "why"?
No. I just cut to the point and stopped trying to be Donger.
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:36 PM   #7178
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No. I just cut to the point and stopped trying to be Donger.


personally I think it would have been more interesting to have not seen all the other kills and then getting to see something really gruesome on Brolin.
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You remind me of those uber-conservative types and your reaction to anything that is even slightly different than what you are used to is "WHAT A MINUTE! THIS IS DIFFERENT! I CANT HANDLE THIS"

you sound like a whiny bitch, tbh.
And you sound like one of those ****ing idiots who'd think somebody smearing shit on a canvas was art if your programmers told you it was.

Go fist yourself, twat.
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personally I think it would have been more interesting to have not seen all the other kills and then getting to see something really gruesome on Brolin.
McCarthy shows in a lot of his works that he thinks many people place little or no value on the life of another. I think he's just showing that, in the end, it doesn't matter. He died, it ended up meaning nothing.
I think that's the realization Tommy Lee Jones comes to at the end when he talks about his dream. He's saying the good is gone, it's all just shit now. None of it means anything.
In other books by McCarthy he has characters say it more directly. The Judge in Blood Meridian basically says, Why not kill people? Not only is it ok, it's something to enjoy.
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And you sound like one of those ****ing idiots who'd think somebody smearing shit on a canvas was art if your programmers told you it was.

Go fist yourself, twat.
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McCarthy shows in a lot of his works that he thinks many people place little or no value on the life of another. I think he's just showing that, in the end, it doesn't matter. He died, it ended up meaning nothing.
I think that's the realization Tommy Lee Jones comes to at the end when he talks about his dream. He's saying the good is gone, it's all just shit now. None of it means anything.
In other books by McCarthy he has characters say it more directly. The Judge in Blood Meridian basically says, Why not kill people? Not only is it ok, it's something to enjoy.
I haven't read the book. Did they treat his death the exact same way in the book?
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I was supposed to get all of that out of "why"?

I actually liked the movie I just hated that they show you all his kills except that one. Even though I hate the bad guy getting away it didn't kill the movie for me.

god forbid that I didn't like the death we didn't get to see. Its just my opinion.
Wasn't Chigurh's kill, that was also part of the point.

Fate just might **** you up and you're wasting time trying to figure out how.

Moss was all geared up to do battle with this super killer, and some Mexican yahoos track him down in the mean time and take him out animal style.

For you it manifested as annoyance, but the ending was INTENDED to bother you. You're supposed to say 'that's not how it was supposed to end.' It's observing that Evil has gotten so brazen and determined that it can strike you on a whim from any direction. So much so that you wonder if there's any use in trying to stop it, kind of like whack a mole except now the moles are popping up under your feet, over your shoulder, two blocks away, in the ladies room, etc. So just sit back and hope the coin toss goes your way.

They even made it explicit with Moss' last scene alive, when he tells the gal by the pool "just looking for what's coming," followed 'Uncle' Ellis' “you can’t stop what’s coming. It ain’t all waiting on you. That’s vanity,”
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:31 PM   #7184
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And you sound like one of those ****ing idiots who'd think somebody smearing shit on a canvas was art if your programmers told you it was.

Go fist yourself, twat.
it's not even an artsy film you muron. It's just fantastic acting, directing and writing. You're talking like it's a ****ing indie film and it's not. You don't like it fine, but you are one of the only people that thinks that way.
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I haven't read the book. Did they treat his death the exact same way in the book?
If you just mean that Moss is killed offscre . . . page, and the Sheriff pulls up on scene in the aftermath, yes. Other parts were changed, some omissions, some order changes.
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