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Old 11-14-2007, 07:57 PM  
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Rufus: Getting a QB is luck and luck alone!

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DAWES: CALL & RESPONSE – "It's luck, pure and simple"
Nov 14, 2007, 1:38:56 AM by Rufus Dawes - FAQ

CALL: I can guess what you think of the story [in the Kansas City Star, November 6, 2007] about not giving big money to running backs and [trying to] develop your own quarterback…. Brodie Croyle’s here now so I guess we’ll see.

RESPONSE: You can take all the guesswork out of it: running backs have short life-spans so I don’t necessarily disagree; developing quarterbacks, however, is not such an easy task and the Kansas City Star columnist’s thoughts here expose a surprising ignorance of the state of the position in today’s NFL. The comment in the Star was “Damn near every team in the league has drafted and started its own homegrown quarterback. Not the Chiefs.” (November 6, 2007)

Despite this pronouncement, however, the available evidence is overwhelming in rejecting this idea that if you really give it a go, as it were, in developing your own quarterback you will ultimately find success. Not even a simple majority of teams as it turns out has done so successfully, if one cares to look. Drafting and starting would appear to be the easy part.

Detroit hasn’t developed a superstar quarterback since, well, Bobby Layne. Currently less than half of the teams in the NFL have starting quarterbacks that they developed and the verdict is out on at least seven others who are currently starting for teams that drafted them. Only 14 of the 32 current starting quarterbacks are with their original teams.

In the jury-is-still-out category here are the questions: Is J.P. Losman the successor to Jim Kelly? Is Jason Campbell going to run Al Saunders’ offense the way he would like it run? Is Tarvaris Jackson a worthy successor to the legacy of Fran Tarkenton? How about Kellin Clemens? Is he the next Joe Namath? What about Alex Smith? Does he resemble Joe Montana in San Francisco in some way? Finally, will Jay Cutler dim memories of John Elway? The “damn” verdict is still out on all these players.

Baltimore head coach Brian Billick has long been considered to be an offensive guru and developer of quarterbacks. Yet, his starting quarterback came from Tennessee – the Titans, not the Volunteers. Meanwhile, one of the top QBs in the NFL this year is Cleveland’s Derek Anderson who’s thrown for 20 touchdowns already. He came from Baltimore. How’d Billick miss developing him? “Damn.”

Wasn’t Jon Gruden supposed to be the developer of quarterbacks? But he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s quarterback and hasn’t been able to “develop” his own, “damn” it. He’s playing with a quarterback now who’s been with five prior professional teams: Calgary, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Tampa Bay.

What do you suppose Jerry Glanville, then Atlanta Falcons head coach, was thinking when he traded Brett Favre to the Green Bay Packers? Did he not want to bother with that “damn” development? I mean, he had Chris Miller after all. Who, you say?

Myth is taken variously to designate imaginary phenomena, falsehoods, and traditional stories, allegories, images, and archetypes that express a people’s worldview. This image or story of a young quarterback being groomed by the team that drafted him and finding success is simply not accurate. Would Tom Brady ever been “developed” had Drew Bledsoe not been injured? Most likely it’s just like that – luck, pure and simple — unless you get the first pick of the draft and you’re smart enough to get Peyton Manning and not Ryan Leaf. You don’t stop trying, but it’s usually luck in the end. “Damn” it all.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:34 PM   #2
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2007 - Peyton Manning
2005 - Ben Roethlisberger
2004 - Tom Brady
2003 - Tom Brady
2002 - Brad Johnson
2001 - Tom Brady
2000 - Trent Dilfer
1999 - Kurt Warner
1998 - John Elway
1997 - John Elway
1996 - Brett Favre
1995 - Troy Aikman
1994 - Steve Young
1993 - Troy Aikman
1992 - Troy Aikman

Out of 15 SB winning QBs, 10 of them were playing for the team that drafted them. Another 3 were developed by the teams that won the SB. And two SBs were won despite the QB.

So what Rufus means is that drafting and developing a QB is hard. Foo on him for trying to convince us that it doesn't work.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:37 PM   #3
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Carl is laying the groundwork for the QB having a rough spell. Little does he know we've already suffered through his boy Huard playing as bad as a pro can. Carl really comes off as a dufus for writing his own articles-what a clown.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:54 PM   #4
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Every time I read Rufus' columns, my head hurts. It reminds me of trying to listen to Dennis Miller on MNF; I find myself drifting off, thinking about other things. Probably because he writes in an unnecessarily complicated style.

In the end, I don't know whether I agree, or disagree with him. Because I'm not really 100% sure of what he just said.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:07 PM   #5
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That is about the dumbest thing I've ever read. Obviously there is some luck involved in an NFL team having a great quarterback. There is always luck involved when any investment is successful. But to say that developing your own QB is "luck, pure and simple" does a disservice both to the franchises who have done that very thing and to all the Chiefs fans who know better.

Funny how "lucky" the Patriots have been with quarterbacks over the past 20 years.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:10 PM   #6
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Funny how "lucky" the Patriots have been with quarterbacks over the past 20 years.
And, sans Trent Green, how "unlucky" the Chiefs have been.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:12 PM   #7
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this franchise rationalizes failure like no other.....

here's the short version: Carl isn't responsible for anything ever
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:14 PM   #8
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It's really tough to win a Super Bowl!
It's really tough to win an AFC championship!
It's really tough to win a playoff game!
It's really tough to find good players!
It's really tough to compete in the NFL!

In other words, people, DON'T HOLD ME TO SOME RIDICULOUS STANDARD! Especially after 19 ****ing seasons!

Hey, I keep the stadium clean, I supply the uniforms. I let you in the parking lot early so you can hold cookouts and shit. What more do you ****ing want!?!
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:14 PM   #9
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he's saying that there is no difference between say Walsh and Carl...just bad luck.....

worshipping mediocrity rots your brain, just look at goatse for more proof....
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:15 PM   #10
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this franchise rationalizes failure like no other.....

here's the short version: Carl isn't responsible for anything ever



There you go, just what Bobby asked for......less words, same message. So much simpler.
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It's really tough to win a Super Bowl!
It's really tough to win an AFC championship!
It's really tough to win a playoff game!
It's really tough to find good players!
It's really tough to compete in the NFL!

In other words, people, DON'T HOLD ME TO SOME RIDICULOUS STANDARD! Especially after 19 ****ing seasons!

Hey, I keep the stadium clean, I supply the uniforms. I let you in the parking lot early so you can hold cookouts and shit. What more do you ****ing want!?!

more than that, he is also that saying that YOU are stupid for expecting any kind of success....
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god shit like this reminds how much of a farce this franchise is...
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Can and Siberian-you both had great takes. Of course Carl isn't responsible, that would mean admiting defeat and we all know Carl is teflon.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:34 PM   #14
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2007 - Peyton Manning
2005 - Ben Roethlisberger
2004 - Tom Brady
2003 - Tom Brady
2002 - Brad Johnson
2001 - Tom Brady
2000 - Trent Dilfer
1999 - Kurt Warner
1998 - John Elway
1997 - John Elway
1996 - Brett Favre
1995 - Troy Aikman
1994 - Steve Young
1993 - Troy Aikman
1992 - Troy Aikman

Out of 15 SB winning QBs, 10 of them were playing for the team that drafted them. Another 3 were developed by the teams that won the SB. And two SBs were won despite the QB.

So what Rufus means is that drafting and developing a QB is hard. Foo on him for trying to convince us that it doesn't work.
A lot of these guys flat out STUNK in their first seasons. Aikman went 1-15!!!!
Brady, Warner and Young were just back up QBs who were thrust into the starting position because the #1 QB was injured. So Carl/Rufus is right in some regard.

John Unitas and Len Dawson were bench warmers early in their careers. Some of the greatest never made it to the big dance - Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, John Brodie, Jim Everett, Archie Manning, Jim Hart, etc...
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A lot of these guys flat out STUNK in their first seasons. Aikman went 1-15!!!!
Brady, Warner and Young were just back up QBs who were thrust into the starting position because the #1 QB was injured. So Carl/Rufus is right in some regard.

John Unitas and Len Dawson were bench warmers early in their careers. Some of the greatest never made it to the big dance - Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, John Brodie, Jim Everett, Archie Manning, Jim Hart, etc...


I don't think you can classify Steve Young as "just a back up". Not Brady either, he hadn't been around long enough to be pigeonholed that way.

As to the others, not making it to a SB doesn't diminish their talents or the good jobs their teams did in their development.
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