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Old 11-21-2007, 09:02 AM  
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Wow. Was he in the wrong?

Not sure if this is a re-post or not.

Widow of suspected burglar speaks about her husband's death.


Listen to the 911 audio tape.


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Old 11-21-2007, 09:06 AM   #2
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Thieves are worthy of death. Joe Horn FTW!
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:09 AM   #3
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I'm not saying it was right to shoot him, but this guy has prior felonies, is on parole, and was in the process of burglarizing a house. He is obviously not making any effort to keep himself out of trouble. You'd think people would realize that burglary is a good way to get yourself shot.

Not saying the neighbor should have done it, but I don't have any sympathy for a guy who sounds like he might have been a career criminal.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:09 AM   #4
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Tough to get worked up about this. That guy was way to eager too shoot someone but...

Don't steal things.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:11 AM   #5
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This Joe Horn guy is a pretty big dumbass too, though.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:13 AM   #6
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Horn shot too quick but was not wrong for confronting the burglars.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:15 AM   #7
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This Joe Horn guy is a pretty big dumbass too, though.
Pretty much.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:17 AM   #8
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It's Texas and they have the "Castle Doctrine" down there. It says he can take lethal force to protect his and his neighbors property. I guess this happened elsewhere before and there was a prosecution. The jury found him not guilty, pretty much let him off.

Someone has to stand up to thugs!
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:18 AM   #9
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Joe Horn should be made Mayor of that town. We need more patriotic Americans like that. Burglaries and the crime rate would plumet.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:19 AM   #10
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I'm not saying it was right to shoot him, but this guy has prior felonies, is on parole, and was in the process of burglarizing a house. He is obviously not making any effort to keep himself out of trouble. You'd think people would realize that burglary is a good way to get yourself shot.

Not saying the neighbor should have done it, but I don't have any sympathy for a guy who sounds like he might have been a career criminal.
He saved the Judicial system money on more prosecution and jailing of these thiefs.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:21 AM   #11
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Horn shot too quick but was not wrong for confronting the burglars.
If they were really 15 feet away, and they were two men in their 20s and he was one older guy, in his 60s... I can't say how I would have reacted in that situation. They surely didn't get closer to him because they were supplicating and apologizing. He may have had a legitimate fear of life and limb.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:22 AM   #12
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Joe Horn should be made Mayor of that town. We need more patriotic Americans like that. Burglaries and the crime rate would plumet.
Too bad you wouldn't have the grapes to actually get that gun and do anything like this.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:23 AM   #13
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They got what they deserved. I have no sympathy for the likes of those two. Granted, Joe should of just stayed in his house and notified the police.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:30 AM   #14
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Hell, you're telling me the cops can't manage to get a car to a house in 7 minutes? Screw them then. If they can't get this crap taken care of then why shouldn't the neighbors? Don't like the way it was handled? Get there sooner.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:32 AM   #15
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They got what they deserved. I have no sympathy for the likes of those two. Granted, Joe should of just stayed in his house and notified the police.
He waited in his house for the cops to show for more than five minutes. The thieves were leaving that house and going God only knows where to do who knows what.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:33 AM   #16
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He waited in his house for the cops to show for more than five minutes. The thieves were leaving that house and going God only knows where to do who knows what.
Rob the next house, probably.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:36 AM   #17
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ZERO sympathy for the guy who died... plenty though, for the kids he left behind. Can you imagine growing up with the knowledge that your dad died during a home invasion?

As for Mr. Horn.... good on him for having the stones to go out and confront the theives. Property may not be worth taking someones life over but I don't believe it was his intention go go out the door shooting.

You can hear him telling them something to the effect of "Take another step and its your life". The fact that they wound up 15 feet from his front door suggests, though without pics one can not be sure, that they were coming towards him. Not really the smartest thing to do when you have the barrel of a shotty pointed at you.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:37 AM   #18
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but I don't believe it was his intention go go out the door shooting.
C'mon now...
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:39 AM   #19
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C'mon now...
He called the cops, they could have arrived any moment. I think, he was probably going to leave it alone and let the cops catch them in the act, but when they were leaving, he tried to hold them there until the cops showed up.

That makes a lot more sense than "I'ma gon' kill me some burglars"
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:42 AM   #20
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C'mon now...
Assuming he did, who gives a crap? These were two guys out taking from others. Then someone took from them and now everyone wants to cry about it.

"It" is horrible for the kids and family. What everyone needs to be clear about is what "it" is. "It" is that those two lowlifes were making a living burglarizing people.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:45 AM   #21
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He called the cops, they could have arrived any moment. I think, he was probably going to leave it alone and let the cops catch them in the act, but when they were leaving, he tried to hold them there until the cops showed up.

That makes a lot more sense than "I'ma gon' kill me some burglars"
Agreed
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:46 AM   #22
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Assuming he did, who gives a crap? These were two guys out taking from others. Then someone took from them and now everyone wants to cry about it.

"It" is horrible for the kids and family. What everyone needs to be clear about is what "it" is. "It" is that those two lowlifes were making a living burglarizing people.
I don't feel sorry for them because they put themselves in a position for this to happen. And I don't fault the guy for doing it. They created the situation, and they escalated it even when it was apparent they were caught, leading to death.

But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:47 AM   #23
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Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:49 AM   #24
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But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?
Why not? Might deter some people.

I'd prefer longer prison terms in prisons that suck to be in, but hey, you do what works.
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Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.
I don't think this has anything to do with what was or wasn't in that bag.

I think this is a case of "why the hell did it take the cops 5+ minutes to respond to a crime in progress"?
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:52 AM   #26
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I can't get the audio link, but what's the problem? It looks to me like a couple of criminals got killed in the act of committing a crime. In this case, everybody's a winner:

- Society has two less criminals
- Hopefully the shooter gets a nice reward from the city
- The kids of the criminals will grow up better because their role models won't be criminals
- The criminals themselves are dead, but were pretty much worthless anyway, so their opinion doesn't matter
- The widow of the criminals probably will be able to hook up with another criminal if she wants and have more kids and more government cheese, since that's probably what she wants anyway
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I don't feel sorry for them because they put themselves in a position for this to happen. And I don't fault the guy for doing it. They created the situation, and they escalated it even when it was apparent they were caught, leading to death.

But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?
I view it as an inherent risk of one's chosen occupation.


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If you're a miner, you can get crushed in a cave-in.
If you're a criminal, you can get killed by one of the good guys.

I see no foul. Keep playing, everyone.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:57 AM   #28
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Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.
Yeah... because we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did not take things that were essential to the home owners such as meds or cash. Try getting a refill on meds with no insurance or money and se how far that gets you.

Again... we dont know. It could have been an xbox, it could have been food.... does not matter.

Play this scenario in your head. An old man trying to do what he feels is right goes out with his shotty to stop a robbery. He takes the shotty with him because he is an old man and is no match physically to these 2 men.

He warns them to stay put (which he did), they come towards him (which they did I am assuming based on being 15 feet from his door), so he pulls the trigger in self defense.

If he had not warned them to stay put before firing, then I would agree with you.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:10 AM   #29
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Thanks Mr. Horn. As far as I'm concerned you just saved my house from being robbed and / or one of my kids or grandkids for being killed.

He should have all property taxes eliminated for at least a year. He saved the tax payers the expense of a trail too. Good job!
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This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property.

According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumb*ss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars.

Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside.

That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability.
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Help control the prison population....shoot a burglar.

Thats a risk you take when you break into someone's house. Innocent home owners are killed every day by shitbags JUST like these criminals.
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He says to the cop a couple of times that he is willing to kill somebody and wants to shoot. He directly disobeys the dispatcher who tries everything he can to get the guy to do the right thing (which is let the cops deal with these guys). This is exactly why vigilante justice illegal.


Knowing the Chiefsplanet ilk, I had a feeling that everybody here would be praising this guy. So let me ask you... Where do you draw the line? If I see a guy jaywalking, should I be allowed to confront him with a gun to get him to stop? What if it looks like he's coming right at me?! What if a guy is about to drive and it looks to me like he's had too many drinks. Can I get him to make better decisions by pointing my rifle at him? Crap, what's that in his hand?! What if I see two guys getting in a fist fight outside of a bar? Good thing I got my .22 in the trunk. How about a guy who cuts through my yard every day while walking to work? I've told him numerous times to stay off my property. Well, next time he's got another thing coming. Maybe you think what this man did is the absolute minimum that justifies killing somebody...
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st Mcan would have gone out and helped them load their loot, and appolgized for the injustice society has placed upon them, causing them to steal.

vigilante justice should be encouraged.

It might discourage carjackings, home invasions, theft, burglary, murder, rape.....
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This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property.

According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumb*ss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars.

Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside.

That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability.
LOL

Murder 1? Nope. Manslaughter AT BEST... and I don't think even that would stick. Again.... he warned them to stay put KNOWING police were en route, apparently they came towards him, so he fired.

Also, I was not aware that 911 operators were authority figures whose "orders" HAD to be obeyed. Might be a smart idea to do so.... but they do not have any authority to order anyone to do anything.
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People should refrain from stealing property from thsoe who have earned it.....especially from career criminals who are out on parole. If they'd have stopped when they saw him, and submitted, I'll wager they'd have been alive today, awaiting trial, where some lawyer like Jettio would have gotten them off on a technicality and put them back on the streets.

He should get a tax rebate for the savings to the state for the trial and the housing-feeding-storing them in prison.


The police had time to have arrived.


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The shitty thing is alot of times people call the cops they take forever to get there comes show up. no burglers? call our 800 line and file a police report to give to your insurance. peace out
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He says to the cop a couple of times that he is willing to kill somebody and wants to shoot. He directly disobeys the dispatcher who tries everything he can to get the guy to do the right thing (which is let the cops deal with these guys). This is exactly why vigilante justice illegal.


Knowing the Chiefsplanet ilk, I had a feeling that everybody here would be praising this guy. So let me ask you... Where do you draw the line? If I see a guy jaywalking, should I be allowed to confront him with a gun to get him to stop? What if it looks like he's coming right at me?! What if a guy is about to drive and it looks to me like he's had too many drinks. Can I get him to make better decisions by pointing my rifle at him? Crap, what's that in his hand?! What if I see two guys getting in a fist fight outside of a bar? Good thing I got my .22 in the trunk. How about a guy who cuts through my yard every day while walking to work? I've told him numerous times to stay off my property. Well, next time he's got another thing coming. Maybe you think what this man did is the absolute minimum that justifies killing somebody...
First... I don't recall him telling the dispacher that he wants to put a cap in someones ass. He said something to the effect of... do you want me to stop them, I have a shotgun.

Again, the dispacher has ZERO authority... so he did not disobey anyone.

The guys were already on their way out and no police in sight. KNOWING the cops were on their way, he goes outside and tells them to stay put.

Tell me... have you ever been burglarized? I have... 4 times. you know how many times the cops were able to get my stuff back? NONE.

Again... not saying that property is worth killing someone over. But due to the fact that he knew the cops were on their way, and he warned them to stop, and they wound up 15 feet from his door... I believe he was fully justified.

Its not like he went screaming out of the house with guns blazing.

As for the rest of it.... you are and idiot. yeah... makes sence to accost someone with a gun for jaywalking. *sigh*

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st Mcan would have gone out and helped them load their loot, and appolgized for the injustice society has placed upon them, causing them to steal.

vigilante justice should be encouraged.

It might discourage carjackings, home invasions, theft, burglary, murder, rape.....

There is no "might" about it. If you want to live in a world where the hammer comes down on petty criminals to the tune of DEATH, then be my guest.
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There is no "might" about it. If you want to live in a world where the hammer comes down on petty criminals to the tune of DEATH, then be my guest.
It would have been wrong for the guy to have been waiting at his neighbors window for the guy to come back out of the house, then put 3 rounds of bird shot in his face.

BUT

The guy was 15 feet from his door... after a robbery. Makes sence to protect ones self.
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LOL

Murder 1? Nope. Manslaughter AT BEST... and I don't think even that would stick. Again.... he warned them to stay put KNOWING police were en route, apparently they came towards him, so he fired.

Also, I was not aware that 911 operators were authority figures whose "orders" HAD to be obeyed. Might be a smart idea to do so.... but they do not have any authority to order anyone to do anything.
Guess what? that sh*thead will be spending time in jail.

Maybe you could write him letters letting him know that in spite of the law, you are behind him in every possible way, except of course you will not be serving his sentence for him.

You might think he did great, but I bet if you asked him in between his crying like a b*tch sissy sobs at his lawyer's office, he has already changed his mind.
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There is no "might" about it. If you want to live in a world where the hammer comes down on petty criminals to the tune of DEATH, then be my guest.
If you want to live in a world where groups of men, willing to break into your house, in similar situations where people are routinely raped and or murdered every day and assume they're just confused cub scouts....be my guest.

Criminals kill and harm a shitload more American home owners than vica versa every year. Every year.


Fook those theiving shitbags.


For that matter.....Horn didn't know if those 2 had just gutted his neighbor like a fish when they came out.
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Guess what? that sh*thead will be spending time in jail.

Maybe you could write him letters letting him know that in spite of the law, you are behind him in every possible way, except of course you will not be serving his sentence for him.

You might think he did great, but I bet if you asked him in between his crying like a b*tch sissy sobs at his lawyer's office, he has already changed his mind.
It's Texas.. he won't be seeing any jail time.
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It would have been wrong for the guy to have been waiting at his neighbors window for the guy to come back out of the house, then put 3 rounds of bird shot in his face.

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The guy was 15 feet from his door... after a robbery. Makes sence to protect ones self.

It may have been wrong, but it would've still gotten my vote for the weekly prize on America's Funniest Home Videos.

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Guess what? that sh*thead will be spending time in jail.

Maybe you could write him letters letting him know that in spite of the law, .

What law did he break in the state of Texas?

Burglars on his neighbors property, who were shot on his own.....




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its not like tax payers weren't going to be supporting those 2 dead theive's children anyway. What are the odds the guy would have been a major contributor to the child's life anyway?
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It would have been wrong for the guy to have been waiting at his neighbors window for the guy to come back out of the house, then put 3 rounds of bird shot in his face.

BUT

The guy was 15 feet from his door... after a robbery. Makes sence to protect ones self.

Burglars with a bag of loot are not likely to confront a neighbor that catches them. Their decision is whether to drop the bag and flee or to keep the bag and flee.

Mr. Horn will be telling more and more lies about what happened, but the tape and the physical evidence will prove that he killed over property thinking the new law allowed for it, when he had no reason to think that his life was in danger.
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Its too bad the home owners hadn't adopted some of Michael Vick's fighting dogs.....and they were still chewing on the leg bones of those crooks.
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On the 911 tape, the dispatcher tells him to stay inside or HE would get shot.


not surprised a greasy lawyer would try to make the Convicts the victims again.


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Burglars with a bag of loot are not likely to confront a neighbor that catches them. Their decision is whether to drop the bag and flee or to keep the bag and flee.

Mr. Horn will be telling more and more lies about what happened, but the tape and the physical evidence will prove that he killed over property thinking the new law allowed for it, when he had no reason to think that his life was in danger.
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On the 911 tape, the dispatcher tells him to stay inside or HE would get shot.


not surprised a greasy lawyer would try to make the Convicts the victims again.
Apparently for him there never comes a point in time where the criminals are responsible for their own actions.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:52 AM   #50
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-I've got a shotgun, do you want me to stop 'em?

-I'm not gonna let 'em go, I'm not gonna let 'em get away with this.

-If I go out the house I'm taking my shotgun with me. I am NOT letting them get away with this... I can't take a chance on getting killed over there. I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot.

-I don't want to (shoot), but if I go out there, you know to see what the hell is going on, I mean what choice am I gonna have?

-I'm aware of that, but I've got a right to protect myself too sir, and you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it and I know it. I have a right to protect myself. And the shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon.

-He's coming out the window right now, I gotta go buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window.

-They stole something, I'm sorry, but I ain't letting em get away with this ****, they stole something. They got a bag of something. I'm DOING it. I'm sorry, this ain't right buddy.

-You want to make a bet! I'm gonna kill em. They're getting away! God Damnit. They got a bag of loot.

-I'm going outside, I'll find out (which way they went). Here it goes buddy. You hear that shotgun clickin' and I'm going.

(door opens) (you can hear something in the background) NO! You're dead! (two shotgun blasts the silence then another blast).
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Burglars with a bag of loot are not likely to confront a neighbor that catches them. Their decision is whether to drop the bag and flee or to keep the bag and flee.

Mr. Horn will be telling more and more lies about what happened, but the tape and the physical evidence will prove that he killed over property thinking the new law allowed for it, when he had no reason to think that his life was in danger.
That's the problem with these laws. Even if his life wasn't in danger at the moment because he had the luxury of a shotgun and not being surprised, the criminals would've likely returned to the same area in the future and could've caught him or another innocent person by surprise. While he may be in legal trouble, from a logical perspective I think it was reasonable that he eliminated the danger proactively.

I hope the guy who stole my bike got hit by a car and died horrifically in great, great pain lodged in the windshield. Yeah, it was just a bike and it's "just property", but that person is "just a piece of worthless subhuman excrement". What if my wife had walked out when he was inside my garage? What if he had clubbed me over the head or stabbed me when I walked in? I'm not expecting to have to confront a criminal when I walk into my yard. I expect them to be in jail or dead.
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What law did he break in the state of Texas?

Burglars on his neighbors property, who were shot on his own.....




if Brainman would have caught the guy who stole his bike, he'd have duct taped his balls to a can of gas and a tree in his front yard and lit him on fire to discourage future attempts.



its not like tax payers weren't going to be supporting those 2 dead theive's children anyway. What are the odds the guy would have been a major contributor to the child's life anyway?
Google the texas castle doctrine law and post what you find. I don't think you will find anything about defending against a property crime from an unoccupied dwelling. Even in Texas, you are not allowed to tell 9-1-1 operators that you plan on killing burglars if those burglars make it outside before the police show up.

He will be facing homicide charges.
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This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property.

According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumb*ss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars.

Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside.

That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability.
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Here are my thoughts:

1. I'm glad the thieves are dead. A man that will break in to another mans house, especially one he does not know, is one of the lowest forms of human life there is.

2. We don't know whether not Mr. Horn acted in self defense. Was it right for him to shoot? Who knows. If the thieves were approaching him on his property - YES, it was ok to shoot them. If the thieves were running away, NO, it was not okay to shoot them. In this case, I tend to think that the thieves were heading to the "next house" and were about to enter Mr Horns house when he shot them. Again, JMO.

3. This can not be a universal law - it can't be held up for the entire population. It's entirely obvious Mr. Horn is a redneck dumbass, and he WANTED to use his weapon. I think he should be punished to an extent, but not for murder, or even manslaughter. Maybe un-lawfully expelling his firearm within city limits? He is not a hero in my eyes, just another redneck moron who wants to play cowboy. Then again, i'm glad those thieves are dead, too. I guess it all sorts itself out in the end.
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If you want to live in a world where groups of men, willing to break into your house, in similar situations where people are routinely raped and or murdered every day and assume they're just confused cub scouts....be my guest.

Criminals kill and harm a shitload more American home owners than vica versa every year. Every year.


Fook those theiving shitbags.


For that matter.....Horn didn't know if those 2 had just gutted his neighbor like a fish when they came out.

He doesn't need to know that. The cops are on their way. It would be one thing if he had tried to make a citizens' arrest or tried to apprehend the guys. But instead he went out of his house with the intent on KILLING two people that he wanted to punish. He says so flat out. And at no point does he say anything like "get on the ground" or "The police are coming" or "freeze." He goes outside and someobody else says something (presumably the guys who got shot) who are running away from the scene (through his yard apparently). He replies, "NO, YOU'RE DEAD." And then shoots at them both.
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Google the texas castle doctrine law and post what you find. I don't think you will find anything about defending against a property crime from an unoccupied dwelling. Even in Texas, you are not allowed to tell 9-1-1 operators that you plan on killing burglars if those burglars make it outside before the police show up.

He will be facing homicide charges.
A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept derived from English Common Law, which designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. Within the legal paradigm, therefore, it functions as a type of justifiable homicide.

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There was no intent to Kill, I never heard him say "I'm gonna kill you".

He tells the dispatcher several times that he will shoot them. Then he says flat out: "I'm going to kill them."

Then he goes outside and his first words are "NO! You're dead!"

In fact, he says something along the lines of "I'm going to kill these guys" as much as he says anything else. There is nothing vague about his intentions. He states them clearly, over and over again. He intends to stop these guys with lethal force.
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He tells the dispatcher several times that he will shoot them. Then he says flat out: "I'm going to kill them."

Then he goes outside and his first words are "NO! You're dead!"

In fact, he says something along the lines of "I'm going to kill these guys" as much as he says anything else. There is nothing vague about his intentions. He states them clearly, over and over again. He intends to stop these guys with lethal force.
As you can see I deleted that post and listed "nevermind" as the reason. I listened to the tapes a little closer and did hear him use that term.

That still doesn't subside the fact he had the right to do what he did.
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As you can see I deleted that post and listed "nevermind" as the reason. I listened to the tapes a little closer and did hear him use that term.

That still doesn't subside the fact he had the right to do what he did.

If that's true, that's some scary law they got down there. I can just go outside with a shotgun and purposefully kill anybody that has commited any type of petty crime?
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If that's true, that's some scary law they got down there. I can just go outside with a shotgun and purposefully kill anybody that has commited any type of petty crime?
It's Texas.
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If that's true, that's some scary law they got down there. I can just go outside with a shotgun and purposefully kill anybody that has commited any type of petty crime?
Check out the wikipedia link I posted. Very informative on how that law is, very interesting read
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If that's true, that's some scary law they got down there. I can just go outside with a shotgun and purposefully kill anybody that has commited any type of petty crime?
So Home Invasion and Burglary are petty crimes?
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So Home Invasion and Burglary are petty crimes?

I'm probably showing my ignorance of the law when it comes to terms like "petty." Petty theft is probably from a store or something. Sorry about the confusion. Doesn't change this guys' motives or make what he did right. Wonder if the guy would have been so pissed off if the perps were white teenagers.

And "NO, You're Dead!" is some bone chilling, macabre **** to be yelling out when you kill someone in cold blood. Different circumstances, but it reminds me of that kid at Columbine who ducked under the desk and said "boo!" before he shot up that kid. Obviously the kids shot at school are completely innocent and these guys were criminals, but the mentality is the same. These are deranged shooters who couldn't wait to live the glory of shooting someone they thought deserved to die.
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Apparently for him there never comes a point in time where the criminals are responsible for their own actions.
I took your dumb*ss off of ignore just in time for you to agree with me.

The criminal, Mr. "Crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office" Horn, should be held responsible for breaking the law.

I have not posted anything in support of burglary.

I recently confronted two punks who I suspected of stealing a lawnmower from a neighbor. I was not sure if the lawnmower was theirs or not, but I told them I was calling the police if they did not return it.

We called the police and gave a good description. I considered getting a baseball bat and beating the sh*t out of them, but if I did, I would have done that for the hell of being mad and I would not have pretended that it was lawful.

I later confirmed that they did steal the lawnmower and they did get away, if I see those two again, I might get mad enough to try to whup'em, but I would not pretend that the law allowed it.
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I'm probably showing my ignorance of the law when it comes to terms like "petty."
These are deranged shooters who couldn't wait to live the glory of shooting someone they thought deserved to die.
If they had found two bodies in the house after the fact, I wonder if those stating it was not justified would still think the same. Don't know or really care at this point as I would think that redneck shooter man would be sent to prison for manslaughter or murder - whatever in this case. But, invading someones' home is not petty and the burglary is a felony. Do I have a problem with the guy dropping them, not really as I would hope that one of my neighbors would do the same.

It's a real issue today in this country that there is no real deterrent from this type of crime with home invasions on a drastic rise. Do I think that the two guys deserved death - of course not. But, I doubt there will be many home breakins in this neighborhood any time soon.
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Check out the wikipedia link I posted. Very informative on how that law is, very interesting read
Read the Texas Penal Code provisions. The new law that went into effect September 1, 2007, does not justify the use of deadly force against burglars of a neighbor's unoccupied dwelling.

The law before September 1, 2007, was fine. But when dumb*ss legislators pass laws for publicity instead of need, Dingbats like Mr. Horn are bound to think he has a license to hunt humans.

Well, Mr. Horn bagged two over the limit.
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Well, Mr. Horn bagged two over the limit.
hehehe, that's good. But, at least they won't be breaking into someone else's castle. The next time they could have walked in on someone there and who knows what could have happened. If Mr. Horn is found in court to have done the crime - he must do the time. But, good for him.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:53 AM   #69
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Read the Texas Penal Code provisions. The new law that went into effect September 1, 2007, does not justify the use of deadly force against burglars of a neighbor's unoccupied dwelling.

The law before September 1, 2007, was fine. But when dumb*ss legislators pass laws for publicity instead of need, Dingbats like Mr. Horn are bound to think he has a license to hunt humans.

Well, Mr. Horn bagged two over the limit.
So you're saying that if it was his own property you'd have no problem with this at all?
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:58 AM   #70
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There is no "might" about it. If you want to live in a world where the hammer comes down on petty criminals to the tune of DEATH, then be my guest.

I really don't get this bleeding heart BS mindset. Do you really think the guy is simply a petty criminal? What if he went on to home invasions and started killing/raping/etc. people? Did Horn know whether or not these guys were violent criminals? Does burglary justify death? No. But the criminal put himself into the situation. The responsibility starts there. Also, your lame attempt at comparing jaywalking to burglary is idiotic.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:02 PM   #71
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not surprised a greasy lawyer would try to make the Convicts the victims again.
Exactly. That's what is wrong with this country. Shitbag lawyers like this that try to make the criminals the victims.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:05 PM   #72
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Exactly. That's what is wrong with this country. Shitbag lawyers like this that try to make the criminals the victims.
I'm sure the victim's families are getting bombarded with ambulance chaser calls about wrongful death suits!
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:05 PM   #73
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If that's true, that's some scary law they got down there. I can just go outside with a shotgun and purposefully kill anybody that has commited any type of petty crime?

You wouldn't because you're a liberal twunt who thinks these scoundrels are always the victims. I can't think of a time when mcan didn't side with the poor misunderstood child molester, executed murderer et al.


I'll give the dumbass redneck the benefit of the doubt of being fired up by adrelaline and fear.

I can't think of a situation where I'll ever side with someone who is breaking into someone else's home.

If someone enters your home in these situations, you HAVE to assume they have the worst of intentions. People of morals don't invade other person's home.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:08 PM   #74
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I took your dumb*ss off of ignore just in time for you to agree with me.
I already knew you were too much of a pussy to handle opinions counter to what you want to believe, but I suppose I should thank you for admitting as much.
Interesting side note though, you’re calling this guy a “criminal” right? What ever happened to that whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing? Is that solely reserved for burglars?

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I have not posted anything in support of burglary.
No, you’re just putting all blame on the guy defending property, possibly his life, without mention that if the buglars hadn’t been piece of shit thieves they might not’ve found themselves in the situation to begin with.

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I recently confronted two punks who I suspected of stealing a lawnmower from a neighbor. I was not sure if the lawnmower was theirs or not, but I told them I was calling the police if they did not return it.

We called the police and gave a good description. I considered getting a baseball bat and beating the sh*t out of them, but if I did, I would have done that for the hell of being mad and I would not have pretended that it was lawful.

I later confirmed that they did steal the lawnmower and they did get away, if I see those two again, I might get mad enough to try to whup'em, but I would not pretend that the law allowed it.
Good for you. Sounds like you did, mostly, the right thing. Surprising actually, some of your brother must be rubbing off on you.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:14 PM   #75
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So you're saying that if it was his own property you'd have no problem with this at all?
Depends on the situation. There are more variables to consider. It is not easy to imagine a situation where the guy makes a 9-1-1 call when he is at home during a home invasion, but is not in any real danger.

I don't think the new law was necessary because people already had a right to defend themselves and I do not believe that there were any homeowners charged with crimes for use of force against an intruder of an occupied dwelling.

A duly enacted law is the law, and the law itself is not bad per se. But, it was an unnecessary change to the law that got a lot of publicity and such loud and unnecessary changes to the law were bound to trip up the Mr. "Crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office because he did not mean to do it" Horn demographic and make them think they could hunt criminals.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:17 PM   #76
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I already knew you were too much of a pussy to handle opinions counter to what you want to believe, but I suppose I should thank you for admitting as much.
Interesting side note though, you’re calling this guy a “criminal” right? What ever happened to that whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing? Is that solely reserved for burglars?



No, you’re just putting all blame on the guy defending property, possibly his life, without mention that if the buglars hadn’t been piece of shit thieves they might not’ve found themselves in the situation to begin with.



Good for you. Sounds like you did, mostly, the right thing. Surprising actually, some of your brother must be rubbing off on you.

I could never stay mad at you.

I was surprised to find you on the ignore list. I think it was after you accidentally posted something off your Donald Rumsfeld fanzine onto the DC forum.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:26 PM   #77
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Depends on the situation. There are more variables to consider. It is not easy to imagine a situation where the guy makes a 9-1-1 call when he is at home during a home invasion, but is not in any real danger.

I don't think the new law was necessary because people already had a right to defend themselves and I do not believe that there were any homeowners charged with crimes for use of force against an intruder of an occupied dwelling.

A duly enacted law is the law, and the law itself is not bad per se. But, it was an unnecessary change to the law that got a lot of publicity and such loud and unnecessary changes to the law were bound to trip up the Mr. "Crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office because he did not mean to do it" Horn demographic and make them think they could hunt criminals.
I have a 12 gauge in my closet. If someone breaks into my home I will consider myself in REAL DANGER.

I just don't understand how some laws get passed anyway esp if they're stupid

Here's some stupid Texas laws: http://www.ahajokes.com/laws043.html
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:26 PM   #78
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I could never stay mad at you.

I was surprised to find you on the ignore list. I think it was after you accidentally posted something off your Donald Rumsfeld fanzine onto the DC forum.
Sure you’ve got the right guy?
Not like I give much of a chit about Rumsfeld one way or another.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:50 PM   #79
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You wouldn't because you're a liberal twunt who thinks these scoundrels are always the victims. I can't think of a time when mcan didn't side with the poor misunderstood child molester, executed murderer et al.


I'll give the dumbass redneck the benefit of the doubt of being fired up by adrelaline and fear.

I can't think of a situation where I'll ever side with someone who is breaking into someone else's home.

If someone enters your home in these situations, you HAVE to assume they have the worst of intentions. People of morals don't invade other person's home.

Holy ****, I just got told! Please allow me to defend myself:

1) I'm not even a liberal. I consider myself a moderate that believes in individual freedoms. The more ability a nation gets to take care of its people, the more that nation should take care of its people. In that way, I suppose I have some socialist tendencies. But I feel like the government shouldn't step into other peoples' business any more than it absolutley has to. I believe in equal rights for all, but I'm against any kind of affirmative action in the private sector. I believe that all violent crimes are "hate crimes" and I'm very sensitive to anything that smacks of reverse racism. In fact, I don't like that term. Racism is what it is no matter the color of your skin. I also believe that people are WAY too sensitive about everything today. I believe you have to TAKE offense, as it can not be GIVEN. I also believe that those freedoms we give willingly to people we agree with are the same freedoms we must be obligated to give those that we hate.

2) As for me supporting child molestation, I believe you're EXTREMELY mistaken and frankly, you're an asshole for saying so. I'm not denying that I have had many a heated discussion about sex on this forum. The biggest one being the Dakota Fanning debate. I got chewed out for saying that people should see the movie before they demonize the girls' parents and the director. And that calling a movie "child porn" before it's even released is short sighted to say the least. If that makes me a child molestor, than I'm EXTREMELY FUC#ING HAPPY YOU'RE NOT HOLDING A GUN TO MY HEAD! Since I now know your opinions about vigilante justice.

3) I agree, people with morals don't break into other peoples' homes. I'll also state that people of morals don't usually admit to wanting to kill somebody over and over and then go and shoot them.
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