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Old 12-10-2007, 11:38 PM  
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Huckabee: MAKE ME A SANDWICH AND SUCK MAH WANG, WOMAN!

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Huckabee: women's role in marriage is to "graciously submit"
by 4fx
Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 10:15:38 AM PST

Huckabee's opinion on gay marriage is out there, but we should also be publicizing Huckabee's opinions on heterosexual marriage. Specifically, what he believes about a women's role in a marriage.

In August of 1998, Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full page USA Today Ad which declared: "I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention." What was in the family statement from the SBC? "A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

The ad wasn't just a blanket, "we support the SBC statement," but rather highlighted details. The ad Huckabee signed specifically said of the SBC family statement: "You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."

Add "graciously submit" to his "Take back the nation for Christ" statement, and if the media does its job, he's well on his way to being toast.


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Old 12-10-2007, 11:42 PM   #2
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So what's wrong with that?
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:47 PM   #3
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So what's wrong with that?
His mindset is stuck in the 50's. A candidate who doesn't consider marriage to be an equal partnership is both unelectable and a moron.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:59 PM   #4
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His mindset is stuck in the 50's. A candidate who doesn't consider marriage to be an equal partnership is both unelectable and a moron.
Are you insane? This probably gives his poll numbers a boost. Now all he needs to do is come out and declare that all homosexuals will burn in a fiery pit and he'll be the next Republican nominee.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:07 AM   #5
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Oh, and by the way - I've been at weddings where that "submit" line was quoted before the entire congregation to nobody's objection. Rest assured, it's still alive and well in the bible belt.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:33 AM   #6
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Are you insane? This probably gives his poll numbers a boost. Now all he needs to do is come out and declare that all homosexuals will burn in a fiery pit and he'll be the next Republican nominee.
Nobody wins by appealing only to his or her base.
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:30 AM   #7
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At the same time a wife is called to submit, a husband is called to sacrifice himself for the sake of his wife.

It was a radical declaration of the worth of women when it was spoken, and IMO it remains so, perhaps now more than ever.

When an assclown such as Travis Henry can have nine kids with nine different women without widespread societal revulsion it's worth wondering what we should still see as "alive and well" in the original message.

BTW: Another absolute asshole named Derrick Thomas led a similar life.

His death may have been unfortunate for the Chiefs, but it was beneficial for some women he may have otherwise met, as well as for society at large.
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:07 AM   #8
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If you want to go after Huckabee, your going to get a lot more traction with his poor judgement, soft on crime record, Clintonian flip-flopping, weak grasp of foriegn affairs, gutless position on standing up to illegal immigration, and of course, his sudden miraculous position against taxes now that he's running for president.

Going after his Christianity isn't going to get you very far.
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:33 AM   #9
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...."A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

..."You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."...
Conscientious Christians understand the meaning of what is stated here....even if you, obviously, do not.

However, in fairness unless you are well-versed in Christian study one could easily mistake such exhortations to be chauvinistic and advocating subjugation of women. I'll assume that is the case here with you, because, they are not.

Submitting to headship....or leadership, as the church submits to Christ, is not about dominance and oppression. It is about shared, but distinct, responsibilities. Equality is about fairness, not duplicity. Equality is not about being the same, it's about recognizing our unique talents and gifts. Equality isn't about uniform standards for women and men, it's about mutual respect.

I sense that you are not capable of understanding the distinction, at this point in your life.
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Old 12-11-2007, 07:34 AM   #10
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His mindset is stuck in the 50's. A candidate who doesn't consider marriage to be an equal partnership is both unelectable and a moron.
I don't see what one's personal and religious views on marriage have to do with the role of the president anyway. Does the Constitution call for that somewhere?

Anyhow, that's what Christians believe too. I would think that will enamour them to him. I mean he is trying to win the Republican nomination not the party of alternative and feminist families nomination.
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Nobody wins by appealing only to his or her base.
Bush made similar statements to these.
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:08 AM   #12
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Bush made similar statements to these.
Yup. You understand the context of them, don't you?
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Yup. You understand the context of them, don't you?
Sure, it's the traditional southern view of marriage.

It used to be widely held everywhere, but on the Frontier out here, women had to be more independent. Then of course, we had the sixties, etc. A lot of people think this is an unreasonable view these days because it evokes servitude, but there is room to disagree that you have to interpret it that harshly.
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Sure, it's the traditional southern view of marriage.

It used to be widely held everywhere, but on the Frontier out here, women had to be more independent. Then of course, we had the sixties, etc. A lot of people think this is an unreasonable view these days because it evokes servitude, but there is room to disagree that you have to interpret it that harshly.


You just about got a lesson in "obvious" from Kotter, the guy who was telling us that Evangelical Christians are no longer relevant to the Republican Party nomination process...
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Old 12-11-2007, 09:17 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Conscientious Christians understand the meaning of what is stated here....even if you, obviously, do not.

However, in fairness unless you are well-versed in Christian study one could easily mistake such exhortations to be chauvinistic and advocating subjugation of women. I'll assume that is the case here with you, because, they are not.

Submitting to headship....or leadership, as the church submits to Christ, is not about dominance and oppression. It is about shared, but distinct, responsibilities. Equality is about fairness, not duplicity. Equality is not about being the same, it's about recognizing our unique talents and gifts. Equality isn't about uniform standards for women and men, it's about mutual respect.

I sense that you are not capable of understanding the distinction, at this point in your life.
So what you are saying is that your wife is the boss of your family?
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