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Old 12-13-2007, 05:27 PM  
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Edwards wins FOX and CNN focus groups on debate

I figure if Ron Paul gets a thread every time he uses a square of toilet paper, I sould be able to brag on my guy for a second.

Edwards Debate Performance Wows CNN And Fox Focus Groups
By Greg Sargent - December 13, 2007, 5:03PM
Though the exchange between Hillary and Obama at the debate was most attention grabbing to the media, it was John Edwards who most impressed the voters who were assembled by CNN and Fox News to gauge reaction.

The Edwards campaign sends over this quote from CNN's Mary Snow, announcing that Edwards won the network's session:

Twenty-three registered Democrats came in here undecided. We asked them who they felt performed the best in this debate and they concluded they felt that John Edwards performed the best, with Senator Clinton right behind him.

Meanwhile, ABC News' Rick Klein kept an eye on the Fox News dial sessions with voters and says that Edwards' answers repeatedly drove voter responses high up and off the charts, live-blogging as follows:

Here's Edwards shooting broad once again – ‘join together to take this democracy and take this country back.’ At least the fourth time he's sounded that theme -- if you're an angry Iowan, you've got to love that message. And the Fox dialers certainly do."
...and, later:

Fox News is doing running dial-testing -- and John Edwards is quite literally off the charts with that answer about the tax system being rigged.”
So these voters, at least, call it for Edwards.


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Old 12-13-2007, 05:27 PM   #2
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Edwards really needs to surprise in Iowa to get a crack at this.
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:32 PM   #3
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I've been saying it for about a month now. I believe Edwards has a strong possibility of surprising everybody and taking Iowa. (I put little stock in polls, especially where caucuses are concerned). Of course, you've proven me wrong on the commitment of his base, so I've wavered a bit on that... But upon reflection just this afternoon, I believe that there are going to be a lot of Democratic Iowans who face the caucus wondering if a black man or a woman can *really* win in a general election.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:37 PM   #4
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Why the hell are you pimping your candidate so much? He has no shot whatsoever. Your and idiot.


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Old 12-13-2007, 07:21 PM   #5
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OMG, not another thread from the Edweirdos.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:23 PM   #6
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I was able to watch this debate on FOX. As the OP article says, they had the "running dial testing" displayed next to the picture of the candidates. I noticed that Edwards was consistently pegging his.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:50 PM   #7
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Yepsen's Debate Analysis: Give this one to Joe Biden

By DAVID YEPSEN • REGISTER POLITICAL COLUMNIST • December 13, 2007

You can award Thursday’s debate among the Democratic presidential candidates to the second-tier candidates, especially Joe Biden.

Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson turned in some of their best debate performances of the 2008 campaign and were the day’s biggest gainers. Biden’s showing was the best of the day.

The top-tier contenders — Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards — all had excellent afternoons. But nothing happened to knock Obama off his stride. Since he leads in the polls in Iowa, the event still leaves him ahead in the contest.

That’s good news for Obama, because this was the last debate before the Jan. 3 caucuses and it comes just before the holidays, when political strategists believe many caucus-goers won’t be paying attention to campaign messages.

As for Biden, how can you lose when everybody else on the stage is praising your record on civil rights, literally applauds you, and the front-runner offers testimony on your behalf? You can’t. And unlike some of his past debate performances in which he seemed strident or comical, Biden was cool, commanding and presidential in this one.

Dodd and Richardson scored when they showed their command of foreign-affairs issues such as dealing with the Chinese or fostering fair trade.

Back to the top tier. Obama leads in the polls, and he seemed content to play a more passive role on the stage Thursday. That was probably a good strategy on his part, and he looked very presidential as he praised rival Biden’s civil-rights record.

Edwards and Clinton have both seen their poll ratings dip after they got a little negative in their campaign rhetoric. Had they ventured out to attack Obama, he might have looked even better. So, Edwards and Clinton kept their barbs to themselves and stayed on their more appealing, positive messages. Edwards is at his best when he keeps his populism warm and positive, not angry, and he did that Thursday.

Obama got in one of the best tweaks of the day when he was asked about the advisers he has who once worked for Bill Clinton and whether he could break from the past when so many of his people were old Clinton hands. Quipped Obama: “Well, Hillary, I’m looking forward to you advising me as well.”
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:17 PM   #8
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...I believe that there are going to be a lot of Democratic Iowans who face the caucus wondering if a black man or a woman can *really* win in a general election.

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Seriously though, glad you finally figured this shit out....even if you are 6-8 months late.

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Old 12-16-2007, 10:29 PM   #9
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The only thing that Republicans would need to do is to post his response from one of the debates saying the war on terror is just a war on paper. Whoever thought that Edwards won the debate must have been listening on the radio. His us against the big corporations schtick might work with some, but its not going to sway the average voter tired of another conspiracy theorist candidate. What's with all the blinking. The guy should get his eyes checked.

Do we realistically think that a guy who didn't run for re-election in North Carolina because he knew he would lose, and a guy who provided no bump as a VP candidate can win this election? He has six years experience in public service. His only redeeming feature is his pretty boy looks. Just how many $400 haircuts will he get before he mispends his campaign into bankruptcy?

Democrats need to stop looking into style and start looking at substance.
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Old 12-16-2007, 10:59 PM   #10
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The only thing that Republicans would need to do is to post his response from one of the debates saying the war on terror is just a war on paper. Whoever thought that Edwards won the debate must have been listening on the radio. His us against the big corporations schtick might work with some, but its not going to sway the average voter tired of another conspiracy theorist candidate. What's with all the blinking. The guy should get his eyes checked.

Do we realistically think that a guy who didn't run for re-election in North Carolina because he knew he would lose, and a guy who provided no bump as a VP candidate can win this election? He has six years experience in public service. His only redeeming feature is his pretty boy looks. Just how many $400 haircuts will he get before he mispends his campaign into bankruptcy?

Democrats need to stop looking into style and start looking at substance.
Woah there. Haven't seen you around in a long time, whoman. How've you been?
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:46 PM   #11
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The only thing that Republicans would need to do is to post his response from one of the debates saying the war on terror is just a war on paper. Whoever thought that Edwards won the debate must have been listening on the radio. His us against the big corporations schtick might work with some, but its not going to sway the average voter tired of another conspiracy theorist candidate. What's with all the blinking. The guy should get his eyes checked.

Do we realistically think that a guy who didn't run for re-election in North Carolina because he knew he would lose, and a guy who provided no bump as a VP candidate can win this election? He has six years experience in public service. His only redeeming feature is his pretty boy looks. Just how many $400 haircuts will he get before he mispends his campaign into bankruptcy?

Democrats need to stop looking into style and start looking at substance.
In Edwards' defense, he pays a lot more than $400 for those haircuts.


It's going to sound silly, but I think that voters pick up a lot of nonverbal cues from the presentation people make via their voice and mannerisms. There have been a lot of studies done on this. People who are tall are usually taken on first glance to be more intelligent than others, for example. More attractive people are seen as more qualified by job interviewers. I think we have probably all seen some news magazine show doing a study like this.

He comes off as paranoid, checking under his bed for big corporations every night. To me, from what I have seen so far, he looks like he's wearing a lot of makeup and his hair is always overdone. I'm not saying these things are important, but people do notice things like that even if they don't mean to. I remember a lot of people talking about how much Al Gore seemed to be sweating back in 2000, and the same of Nixon famously in a debate too.

People want strength, and while Edwards might be able to recite what base voters want to hear, in black and white, he doesn't radiate strength like I think people desire. He doesn't strike you as a guy who has that tough side like I think people feel the President needs to have.

I think America would vote for a woman, the right woman, but they won't vote for a butch chick, or a girly man. People don't get a good vibe from you if you don't fall into the paradigm they feel like is 'normal'. I don't think people will vote for someone they see as some kind of a weirdo.

They might even say they don't take stuff like that into account, but we all get a general feeling of whether or not to trust someone, and if they seem to be a weirdo, you don't really connect with them.

And yeah, the average person doesn't think the war on terror is 'a war on paper'. They might differ about the scope and level of danger, but nobody really thinks that it's just a work of fiction.
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