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Clinton attack on Obama backfires; aide steps down

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ama/index.html

Hahahaha. I guess trying to claim someone might have been a drug dealer in the past with no corroborating evidence has a tendency to do that.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:14 PM   #2
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The Clinton Collapse has begun....Obama has a real shot, I'd even say "likely" shot....at this point to over-take "The Bitch."

Seriously, she's done; depending on WHO the Republican is that emerges....I can see voting for Barak. I'm dead serious. He's smart, he has vision, he is a born leader who is "likeable"....he will do some daring things....but, ultimately, Congress will keep him from going off the deep-end.

How's that make you feel, psic???


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Old 12-13-2007, 09:17 PM   #3
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Tonight was huge for her, and I don't think she even remotely did enough to stem the tide. Meanwhile, Edwards was his usual feisty self, and Obama did really well, too, with both a megaburn and a classy defense of Biden.

I loved Fox's completely accurate description of her "nasty cackle."

The funny thing is, there's speculation that Shaheen was going to be dumped, anyways, so the Clinton camp may have been sending this out as a sort of suicide attack.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:20 PM   #4
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Tonight was huge for her, and I don't think she even remotely did enough to stem the tide.

I loved Fox's completely accurate description of her "nasty cackle."
I know some have said I'm nuts, given the polls....but the bottom-line is that she has always been unelectable. Period.

Americans elect car salesman with vision to be President....she is a bitch, with an agenda....no way she wins a general election. More and more Dems are, finally, realizing what I've been saying for months now: she is unelectable.

That will give Barak the nomination, barring some....paranoid and racist defection to Edwards.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:23 PM   #5
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Americans elect car salesman with vision to be President....she is a bitch, with an agenda...
See, I disagree. She's the ULTIMATE car salesman.

It's not her electability that's worth being concerned about, it's her complete lack of any sort of grounding. At her core, she's pretty much a slimy morass.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:30 PM   #6
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See, I disagree. She's the ULTIMATE car salesman.

It's not her electability that's worth being concerned about, it's her complete lack of any sort of grounding. At her core, she's pretty much a slimy morass.

Eh, she may be a car salesman; but she's a BAD car salesman....a transparent and devious, unlikeable one. Slimy morass? Exactly. It's should be the Clinton's middle name.

It's her not-so-thinly-veiled radical agenda that will cost her the election though, IMHO. People see what she says, and what she REALLY would like to do....and just like Bill, she (has learned to try to) 'talk the talk' in terms of appearing "mainstream"....but anyone who is paying attention knows she is NOT 'walking the walk.' She learned that from Bill, which is the ONLY reason she's even in the conversation. But I'm convinced it will NOT be enough.

Wow. Something you and I can, mutually, celebrate. Heh.
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:19 PM   #7
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I know some have said I'm nuts, given the polls....but the bottom-line is that she has always been unelectable. Period.
Many of us have claimed that since the beginning, yet the cons on this board refused to believe it.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:53 AM   #8
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Many of us have claimed that since the beginning, yet the cons on this board refused to believe it.
I think she's radioactive in the general election... I never for a minute thought she was unelectable in the Dem primary. I still think she will win.
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:09 AM   #9
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To amend what I was saying earlier, though, how many times do you see the campaign that's going to end up losing start sniping at itself through the media as it enters the terminal stage? It reminds me of reports that were coming out late in 2004 about the tumult in the Kerry camp about rows between leadership about the direction and message.

It's hard to point out what caused her to start dropping. No one thing really seemed to cause it. They should have just campaigned against the Republicans, and had her act like she was president already. Instead they lower themselves to slinging a poorly disguised dirty trick at someone who should be an also-ran and such.

I don't think this stuff in the media about Bill getting angry about her campaign losing steam or becoming more involved will help, either. It makes her look like she doesn't know what she's doing, and Bill needs to come bail her out. Not what people want from a president.

Problem for Obama though is that this is about her, it isn't about him. He's not been able to attract as much support on his own merits as he ought to have if he is to win in the general. I think a lot of people feel he's too liberal and are probably right.

We'll see, but I'm not certain Barack Magic (tm) is going to take over just yet.
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:21 AM   #10
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Problem for Obama though is that this is about her, it isn't about him. He's not been able to attract as much support on his own merits as he ought to have if he is to win in the general. I think a lot of people feel he's too liberal and are probably right.
Yeah, that's why he's polled in the top three or four alongside the Republican front-runners among likely Republican voters at least twice when included as an option.

Obama's got an incredible number of individual donors, not to mention tremendous organization from the bottom up, and without him consistently gaining more and more name recognition and building on his impressive campaign, there would be no reason for Hillary to be flailing about like a ninny at this point.

"Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama's been there."
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:40 AM   #11
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Yeah, that's why he's polled in the top three or four alongside the Republican front-runners among likely Republican voters at least twice when included as an option.

Obama's got an incredible number of individual donors, not to mention tremendous organization from the bottom up, and without him consistently gaining more and more name recognition and building on his impressive campaign, there would be no reason for Hillary to be flailing about like a ninny at this point.

"Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama's been there."
If he's so great, why is it that an empty pantsuit like Hillary was drubbing him by 20 points until her inept campaign fumbled the ball away?
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:55 AM   #12
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Where did they fumble the ball away? You just finished saying:

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It's hard to point out what caused her to start dropping. No one thing really seemed to cause it.
9iu11iani was up big at one point, too. Name recognition is a big, big factor until we actually get reasonably close to the primaries.

Or, as I said months ago: "Call me when national polls matter."

Guess who disagreed with my assertion, Cochise? Go on, take a look! And it gets better, now that I look again. Thompson was in front by 8% at the time.

Again, it's not like Obama's been twiddling his thumbs while Hillary's been out driving drunk and murdering children; here's a look at the number of individual donors for the serious candidates (with one comedy option thrown in):

Obama: 42,000
Clinton: 32,000
Romney: 16,000
McCain: 16,000
Edwards: 15,000
Giuliani: 15,000
Thompson: 7,000
Paul: 4,000
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:01 AM   #13
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Saying that it's hard to point out where exactly the squandered a lead in a few key states does not mean that they didn't do it. It just says... exactly what it says. It's hard to point out where.

It was her nomination to lose, and if she loses, it will still be about her and not him. He hasn't charged up and taken the lead from her with his meekness.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:06 AM   #14
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So there's no clear area where she ****ed herself over, but the guy who's been rallying support for months still has nothing to do with his surge.

Rrrrrrright. But hey, you've been totally on the m-

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The balance of power between Clinton and Obama hasn't shifted in a few months, and even when it was closer, Clinton always held a double-digit lead. She's a better bet than sunset.
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You're really invested in the "OBAMA HAS NO CHANCE JUST GIVE IT UP ALREADY" platform, aren't you?
My mind has been deluded by the facts I guess.
That thread is delicious.
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:09 AM   #15
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Again, it's not like Obama's been twiddling his thumbs while Hillary's been out driving drunk and murdering children; here's a look at the number of individual donors for the serious candidates (with one comedy option thrown in):

Obama: 42,000
Clinton: 32,000
Romney: 16,000
McCain: 16,000
Edwards: 15,000
Giuliani: 15,000
Thompson: 7,000
Paul: 4,000

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