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Old 12-18-2007, 10:03 AM  
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Italians Block Construction of New U.S. Military Base

Interesting development here. What on earth do we need another military base in Italy for?

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Twenty years ago in Vicenza, if you said you were American it was a bit like saying you were a rock star. Now it's like saying you're Dick Cheney. "Yankee Go Home" and "Americani A Casa" are popular chants and graffiti, although usually said only in reference to Americans in the military. The Vicentini call us their brothers, but don't want us occupying their city. They sometimes shout "Fratelli Americani... A Casa." In fact Italian peace activists, just like American peace activists, are accused of being anti-American, and they reply that they want to be friends with Americans, but not slaves to Americans.


Recently, Italy's foreign minister assured Condoleezza Rice, and Italy's president assured George W. Bush - not for the first time - that the base will be built. And the U.S. Congress, unbeknownst to the American people, has approved the funding. But there is a reason for these repeated public assertions that everything is on track. It isn't.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:06 AM   #2
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:27 AM   #3
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Interesting development here. What on earth do we need another military base in Italy for?
Why, like Aviano AFB to defend the Southern Flank of NATO from an incursion from....

errr.....

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Old 12-18-2007, 10:36 AM   #4
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Why can't the Italians do this though?
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:38 AM   #5
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Why, like Aviano AFB to defend the Southern Flank of NATO from an incursion from....

errr.....

The killer sharks of the Mediterranean!
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:40 AM   #6
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Eh....it's probably a good thing.

The Italians, since 476 AD or so....have almost been as inept in their dealings in "military" matters as the French. And the Mexicans.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:42 AM   #7
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No idea. Italy is in a strategic location, but northern italy a bit less so with Ramstein a little further to the North. We already have a naval base in southern Italy I think.

Seems a bit redundant to me.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:42 AM   #8
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Eh....it's probably a good thing.

The Italians, since 476 AD or so....have almost been as inept in their dealings in "military" matters as the French. And the Mexicans.
The Canadians and Swiss are also likely inept militarily, they're just smart enough to stay out of it. =)
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:43 AM   #9
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Eh....it's probably a good thing.

The Italians, since 476 AD or so....have almost been as inept in their dealings in "military" matters as the French. And the Mexicans.
Well, they did whip the Ethiopians in the late 30's/early 40's...but they needed Chemical weapons to do it, IIRC.

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The Canadians and Swiss are also likely inept militarily, they're just smart enough to stay out of it. =)
BTW- The Swiss, militarily inept? I'll offer this as a rebuttal...

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That was part of it. The other part was the Krauts knew that Switzerland:

1) Had a mobilized strength of almost a million men under arms.

2) Every able-bodied adult male was a member or reserve member of the military. Every male was required by law to be an effective shot to 300 meters, and kept a rifle at home.

3) Shooting was the national sport.

4) Every single bridge, road, and pass was built so it would be very simple to plant charges and bring them down.

5) It's extremely difficult for armor and heavy artillery to operate in Alpine terrain.

6) An old anecdote: Shortly before World War I, the German Kaiser was the guest of the Swiss government to observe military maneuvers. The Kaiser asked a Swiss militiaman: "You are 500,000 and you shoot well, but if we attack with 1,000,000 men what will you do?" The soldier replied: "We will shoot twice and go home."

There's a reason the Congress of Vienna banned Swiss mercs from being used anywhere but the Vatican. They've always been feared fighters, and no one has been dumb enough to try to take them on their home turf.

If the Germans had won Europe, I'm sure Hitler would have tried. It would have cost the Reich massive casulties, and ended as Masada writ large, IMO.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:45 AM   #10
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Well, they did whip the Ethiopians in the late 30's/early 40's...but they needed Chemical weapons to do it, IIRC.
I was playing Hearts of Iron one day, and tried to start as the Ethiopians. Damn. Bad decision. It was over in like 5 turns.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:46 AM   #11
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BTW- The Swiss, militarily inept? I'll offer this as a rebuttal...
Fair enough! I surrender! [/FRENCH]
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:47 AM   #12
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I was playing Hearts of Iron one day, and tried to start as the Ethiopians. Damn. Bad decision. It was over in like 5 turns.
I've got HOI2 Doomsday/Armageddon, but still haven't had the time to really get into it. Looks fantastic, but I'm still having fun with Rome: Total War.

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Fair enough! I surrender! [/FRENCH]


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Old 12-18-2007, 10:47 AM   #13
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Well, if the Italians are anything like they're depicted in the movie "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" partying on the beach a la dolce vita, then perhaps that explains it. But some paesano's there see to care about it being built.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:48 AM   #14
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Calling the Swiss a militarily inept country is one of the craziest things I've ever read here.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:50 AM   #15
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I agree with ya' about the Swiss AH. That's the model I'd like to see the US based on with a policy of neutrality. I don't even mind the idea of trying to be mediator's even.
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