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Old 12-18-2007, 11:30 AM  
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Kudos to Mike Huckabee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA

I really respect this ad.

You may not agree with Huckabee on the content of the ad, but I know that I respect it that the man stands up and just says out loud what every other Christian in this country has thought for years.

I love that there is no "Politically Correct" standpoint from him on this.

I find it funny that people are so ready to stand up for their religious beliefs if they are not Christian, but Christians are chastised for standing up for their beliefs.

Whether you like him or not, there has to be some respect for this approach. Direct honesty.

A few months ago, I did not even know who Huckabee was. Right now, he has emerged as the only Republican candidate that I could vote for.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:34 AM   #2
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Yes, Kudos to Mike Huckabee.

For having too many skeletons in his closet and asinine views to make him truly electable.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:36 AM   #3
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Yes, Kudos to Mike Huckabee.

For having too many skeletons in his closet and asinine views to make him truly electable.
Yes, he is the only one.

Asinine in deed. Show me a single other candidate that the same thing cannot be said for.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:37 AM   #4
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Yes, he is the only one.

Asinine in deed. Show me a single other candidate that the same thing cannot be said for.
I didn't say he was the only one. Right now, he's the leading one.

All I will say is that if Huck is elected, America is as close to a Theocracy as it has been ever.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:42 AM   #5
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I didn't say he was the only one. Right now, he's the leading one.

All I will say is that if Huck is elected, America is as close to a Theocracy as it has been ever.
Thanks for the clarification.

I disagree with your last statement though. Regardless of who is elected, their personal views come into play. So whether they are a Christian, a Muslim, a Mormon, an Agnostic, etc...

The question is whether they will impose their religious beliefs on everyone else. There is no way to know but that is also why there are the other branches of the government.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:50 AM   #6
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Thanks for the clarification.

I disagree with your last statement though. Regardless of who is elected, their personal views come into play. So whether they are a Christian, a Muslim, a Mormon, an Agnostic, etc...

The question is whether they will impose their religious beliefs on everyone else. There is no way to know but that is also why there are the other branches of the government.
He's a MINISTER. That will be as close to a Theocracy as we've come.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:50 AM   #7
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I found this interesting, considering it came from Bill Donahue of the Catholic League.

Catholic League president slams Huckabee for 'subliminal' cross ad
David Edwards and Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday December 18, 2007

GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee's new Christmas-themed campaign ad -- which may or may not feature a subliminal cross image -- has found an unlikely critic in Catholic League president Bill Donahue.

The opening seconds of Hucakabee's Christmas spot features the candidate seated in front of a window pane which appears to form the shape of the Christian cross. Speaking in the ad, the former Arkansas governor tells viewers that "sometimes it's nice to pull aside" from politics and "remember that what really matters is the celebration of the birth of Christ and being with our family and our friends."

Donahue, the president of the Catholic League and an ardent defender of Christmas in what he believes is a secular "war" against the holiday, told hosts of the Fox and Friends morning program that the ad had gone too far.

"The whole idea is to give the appearance of a cross," he said, "and this is just injecting religion into politics even too far for guys like me."

Asked if the ad was "too much," Donahue said it was.

"Because there's a pattern here," he added. "Every other word out of [Huckabee's] mouth is that 'I'm Christian.' He's calling into question Romney's Mormonism...let people talk about there faith, but don't sell it on your sleeve."

Added Donahue, "Yeah, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but don't become a salesman. Don't hawk it like that on the street."

The Catholic League president suggested that Huckabee was relying on his faith too heavily as a campaign tactic.

"If it was just the Christmas ad, I wouldn't have one complaint about it," he said. "But when you juxtapose that with all these other kinds of things, there's a subliminal message there, and it's all done intentionally...what he's trying to say to the evangelicals in Western Iowa is 'I'm the real thing.'"

"You know what?" concluded Donahue. "Sell yourself on your issues, not on what your religion is."


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_ri...inal_1218.html


Considering Mr. Nehemiah Scudder Huckabee has already implied God wants him to win while on the stump (how else can we interpret his "Only one thing to account for the poll surge" comment?), this ad doesn't surprise me in the least.

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The question is whether they will impose their religious beliefs on everyone else. There is no way to know but that is also why there are the other branches of the government.
There is no way to know, but I can't say I'm comfortable with it. A believer is one thing, but a minister is another IMO.

As someone far more eloquent than I put it...

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It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics. This is equally true whether the faith is Communism or Holy-Rollerism; indeed it is the bounden duty of the faithful to do so. The custodians of the True Faith cannot logically admit tolerance of heresy to be a virtue.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:53 AM   #8
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I didn't watch the video. Does the family gather around and hang a stray dog?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:55 AM   #9
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I found this interesting, considering it came from Bill Donahue of the Catholic League.

Catholic League president slams Huckabee for 'subliminal' cross ad
David Edwards and Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday December 18, 2007

GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee's new Christmas-themed campaign ad -- which may or may not feature a subliminal cross image -- has found an unlikely critic in Catholic League president Bill Donahue.

The opening seconds of Hucakabee's Christmas spot features the candidate seated in front of a window pane which appears to form the shape of the Christian cross. Speaking in the ad, the former Arkansas governor tells viewers that "sometimes it's nice to pull aside" from politics and "remember that what really matters is the celebration of the birth of Christ and being with our family and our friends."

Donahue, the president of the Catholic League and an ardent defender of Christmas in what he believes is a secular "war" against the holiday, told hosts of the Fox and Friends morning program that the ad had gone too far.

"The whole idea is to give the appearance of a cross," he said, "and this is just injecting religion into politics even too far for guys like me."

Asked if the ad was "too much," Donahue said it was.

"Because there's a pattern here," he added. "Every other word out of [Huckabee's] mouth is that 'I'm Christian.' He's calling into question Romney's Mormonism...let people talk about there faith, but don't sell it on your sleeve."

Added Donahue, "Yeah, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but don't become a salesman. Don't hawk it like that on the street."

The Catholic League president suggested that Huckabee was relying on his faith too heavily as a campaign tactic.

"If it was just the Christmas ad, I wouldn't have one complaint about it," he said. "But when you juxtapose that with all these other kinds of things, there's a subliminal message there, and it's all done intentionally...what he's trying to say to the evangelicals in Western Iowa is 'I'm the real thing.'"

"You know what?" concluded Donahue. "Sell yourself on your issues, not on what your religion is."


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_ri...inal_1218.html


Considering Mr. Nehemiah Scudder Huckabee has already implied God wants him to win while on the stump (how else can we interpret his "Only one thing to account for the poll surge" comment?), this ad doesn't surprise me in the least.
Donahue isn't a salesman?

Ron Paul was asked about this:



I find it hilarious that he says something and then Fox doesn't like what he said and so they try to sell it as "the truth".
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:56 AM   #10
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Kudos to Mike Huckabee for what looks to be a carefully crafted and calculated ad. You can buy into his 'lets get away from politics' BS if you'd like, but the sole purpose of the ad was political. He's playing up his faith. The shelf/cross was a nice touch.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:58 AM   #11
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He's a MINISTER. That will be as close to a Theocracy as we've come.
But that doesnt change my point. He is an ordained minister. He was also a Governer of a State. So he is instead going to become "Pastor & Chief"? I dont think so.

His choices as President would be based on his beliefs. This is true whether he is a minister or an atheist.

Several US Presidents have been religious teachers, deacons & elders in their faiths. An ordained minister is nothing more then a teacher with formal training.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:59 AM   #12
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Donahue isn't a salesman?
He's somewhere between a Salesman and a PR spinmiester, with a dose of Elmer Gantry, IMO.

Though I did love his appearance on the South Park Easter Special.
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Fox must not have much music in their library. I'm sure there haven't been many Ron Paul montages done to Pink songs.
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But that doesnt change my point. He is an ordained minister. He was also a Governer of a State. So he is instead going to become "Pastor & Chief"? I dont think so.
Again, he's a MINISTER. So by definition, electing a MINISTER to highest office would be as close to a theocracy as we've been.

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His choices as President would be based on his beliefs. This is true whether he is a minister or an atheist.
Can you give an example of an atheist president making a decision based on the LACK of a belief? Please?

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And yet, it's called a theocracy if it's outside the US.
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He's somewhere between a Salesman and a PR spinmiester, with a dose of Elmer Gantry, IMO.

Though I did love his appearance on the South Park Easter Special.
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