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Old 12-19-2007, 06:47 PM  
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US Primaries 2008

In response to many requests, not only from Americans, The Political Compass™ has charted the most prominent names in the 2008 US Primaries. They have been evaluated through scrutiny of public statements, manifestos, interviews and, crucially, voting records. Our apologies for those not included.

It is important to recognise that The Political Compass™ is a continuum rather than consisting of hard and fast quadrants. For example, Ron Paul on the social scale is actually closer to Dennis Kucinich than to many figures within his own party. But on the economic scale, they are, of course, far apart.

When examining the chart it is important to note that although most of the candidates seem quite different, in substance they occupy a relatively restricted area within the universal political spectrum. Democracies with a system of proportional representation give expression to a wider range of political views. While Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Hillary Clinton is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while in any other western democracy her record is that of a moderate conservative.

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Old 12-19-2007, 06:49 PM   #2
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seems pretty close.

another meaning for being in the Upper Right Quadrant
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:49 PM   #3
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For my part, this is definitely pretty close to the way I've viewed the field. it is interesting that Gravel, Kucinich, and Paul are really the only people totally out of the spread.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:34 PM   #4
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I think this chart is a joke...

The questions are full of logical fallacies... as well as questions that don't reflect policy.

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Old 12-19-2007, 08:38 PM   #5
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This kind of thing shows you really where people are at, versus when they get called fascists or communists or whatever. We're a long way from that.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:38 PM   #6
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"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."


What does that reveal about my right/left leanings if I answer strongly agree, or strongly disagee? How did Chris Dodd answer this? Am I to believe they actually asked him?
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:40 PM   #7
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"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."


International law? I'm most definitely against military action that defies constitutional law, but I have no feelings about supposed International law.

It's clear whoever designed these questions did so from a very leftist position.

How am I to believe that Ron Paul answered this? What does it reveal about his right/left leanings if he answered strongly agree or strongly disagree.

I personally don't even know how to answer it.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:43 PM   #8
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"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."


What does that reveal about my right/left leanings if I answer strongly agree, or strongly disagee? How did Chris Dodd answer this? Am I to believe they actually asked him?

Real fascist/authoritarian regimes often discriminate based on race.

I'd assume Chris Dodd doesn't think that's a good policy choice. Tancredo? Who knows?
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:47 PM   #9
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Real fascist/authoritarian regimes often discriminate based on race.

I'd assume Chris Dodd doesn't think that's a good policy choice. Tancredo? Who knows?

That question isn't about discrimination though. I mean, that's what they're driving at... Apparently if you believe there are differences in the races, you're a racist... But I'd argue that a black person could answer in the strongly agree affirmative thinking, "black people seem to be more physically gifted." What would that answer reveal about their left/right leanings? I would say absolutely nothing.
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"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."


International law? I'm most definitely against military action that defies constitutional law, but I have no feelings about supposed International law.

It's clear whoever designed these questions did so from a very leftist position.

How am I to believe that Ron Paul answered this? What does it reveal about his right/left leanings if he answered strongly agree or strongly disagree.

I personally don't even know how to answer it.
What about that question makes it "leftist" to you?

Since Ron Paul doesn't think we should subordinate ourselves to international organizations, why wouldn't he answer the question "Strongly Agree"?
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:55 PM   #11
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That question isn't about discrimination though. I mean, that's what they're driving at... Apparently if you believe there are differences in the races, you're a racist... But I'd argue that a black person could answer in the strongly agree affirmative thinking, "black people seem to be more physically gifted." What would that answer reveal about their left/right leanings? I would say absolutely nothing.
Yeah, but that's not "many superior qualities". Plus if you are eager to answer the question about "our race" and that's the way you see things then that indicates some leanings i think. Is it foolproof no? That's why it's a poll. Maybe that question could be more accurately targeted, but it's probably balanced out by other questions too. no it is not the most sophisticated poll i have ever encountered, but it's interesting enough.
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What about that question makes it "leftist" to you?

Since Ron Paul doesn't think we should subordinate ourselves to international organizations, why wouldn't he answer the question "Strongly Agree"?


All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.

This question is leftist because it presupposes that international law is meaningful. I would say that military action that defies the constitution is never justified. I would say that military action that defies international law is always justified because I don't have any respect for international law.

How is this thing going to rate me? Based on the slant of their questions, I have no confidence that it will do so correctly.
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All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.

This question is leftist because it presupposes that international law is meaningful. I would say that military action that defies the constitution is never justified. I would say that military action that defies international law is always justified because I don't have any respect for international law.

How is this thing going to rate me? Based on the slant of their questions, I have no confidence that it will do so correctly.
I don't see how the question presupposes that international law is meaningful. In fact it sounds exactly like something B*sh would say, or Cheney. "mehhh, militaryaction that defiesinternationallaw issometimes justified, wehh." i can practically hear him saying the words.
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:03 PM   #14
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Here's a question on page 2:

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Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support.
That's leftist?
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