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Old 12-22-2007, 04:27 PM  
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The Ron Paul Revolution 'no need to retaliate vs. an attack ever in American history'

he shows what a loon he is.....exact quote from Politics-n-Eggs speech.

"The President has a responsibility to retaliate against an attack. I don't think there's been a need to do that throughout our whole history.It was especially true in the early years that if Congress was way off and they had to come by horse and buggy, the President had the responsibility, the moral and legal responsibility, to thwart an attack on the United States, That is still the position I would hold."

5:11 into the video....

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Old 12-22-2007, 04:41 PM   #2
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I didn't watch the video, but looking at your quote - I'm not seeing what's so kooky there. When was there ever a need for a president to go to war on his own, without congress having enough time to declare war first?
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:42 PM   #3
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Where's patteeu with his kook-o-meter when you need him?
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:56 PM   #4
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I didn't watch the video, but looking at your quote - I'm not seeing what's so kooky there. When was there ever a need for a president to go to war on his own, without congress having enough time to declare war first?
He doesn't say go to war, he says retaliate against an attack on the US.

We haven't gotten a declaration of war since 1941, and have had a lot of conflicts between now and then.
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:58 PM   #5
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:03 PM   #6
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:05 PM   #7
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:08 PM   #8
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In the Beck interview, he made it clear that the only attack to warrant conflict was Pearl Harbor. And even then, he said, WWII was only an extension to WWI. Thus, if we hadn't gotten involved in WWI, WWII might not have happened and put us in that state.

Other than PH, can you really think of an event to warrant an invasion etc?

If you say 9/11, I would contend that the enemy was not a country but a group. And that group has many homes. Declaring war on the world is not possible, along with the "GWoT", the war on drugs, etc.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:08 PM   #9
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He doesn't say go to war, he says retaliate against an attack on the US.

We haven't gotten a declaration of war since 1941, and have had a lot of conflicts between now and then.
Okay, so what's your example where the president had to retaliate before Congress had time to declare war?
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:17 PM   #10
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We haven't gotten a declaration of war since 1941, and have had a lot of conflicts between now and then.
FYI- The last time the US declared war was June 5, 1942.

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Okay, so what's your example where the president had to retaliate before Congress had time to declare war?
Well, the Cold War comes to mind as a situation where the president would have needed that authority, if the USSR had ever launched a nuclear strike.

5-7 minutes warning (if lucky) for an SLBM strike isn't nearly enough time for Congressional Authorization.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:24 PM   #11
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Okay, so what's your example where the president had to retaliate before Congress had time to declare war?
Korea

Vietnam


We had the failed Iran Hostage rescue in 1979.

Several problems with Libya in the 80's resulting in bombing Momar in 1987.

The 1st Gulf war

Afghanistan and the second gulf war.
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Korea

Vietnam

1st Gulf War
Really?

Could you elaborate as to why.
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...if the USSR had ever launched a nuclear strike.

5-7 minutes warning (if lucky) for an SLBM strike isn't nearly enough time for Congressional Authorization.
Of course it isn't, but that hasn't happened. So again, has there been "a need to do that throughout our history" that you can list? It's pretty clear from Ron Paul's quote that he isn't pontificating about fictional historical examples, but instead referencing actual U.S. history to make the point that this need is very unlikely.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:26 PM   #14
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FYI- The last time the US declared war was June 5, 1942.

Merry Christmas, Bill P.


Eh, thanks for the correction. I was thinking of FDR's speech on December 7th.

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Old 12-22-2007, 05:29 PM   #15
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Korea

Vietnam


We had the failed Iran Hostage rescue in 1979.

Several problems with Libya in the 80's resulting in bombing Momar in 1987.

The 1st Gulf war

Afghanistan and the second gulf war.
What? How are any of those so urgent that we didn't have 24 hours for congress to declare war before launching a strike? When were we attacked by Vietnam or Korea? Did the 1st Gulf War explode in a period of less than 24 hours? All of these examples are vague and not a single one makes your point.
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