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Old 12-23-2007, 07:20 AM  
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Tim Russert is Destroying Ron Paul

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Old 12-23-2007, 07:46 AM   #2
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This should surprise no one, the man is an utter joke of a candidate.

Upon further review, so is Mike Huckleberry. Complete charlatan that is pimpin Christianity shamelessly as his only asset as a "conservative" Republican. We will not be fooled. All my conservative thinkers are adamantly opposed to his candidacy. Draw a line through em, they will never survive the process.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:56 AM   #3
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:00 AM   #4
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Hasn't come on yet, but Tim Russert should be more agressive with the powerful, not just the east targets.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:03 AM   #5
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Hasn't come on yet, but Tim Russert should be more agressive with the powerful, not just the east targets.
You guys get it late in AZ? Stick with it. He hits him with the hard stuff late.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:14 AM   #6
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15 minutes in and Paul is doing fine. They aren't easy positions that he takes, but he's defending his views well, IMO.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:15 AM   #7
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I think it starts going downhill when he hits him with the earmarks.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:18 AM   #8
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His frm'r employee's quote about 9/11 caught him of guard. And that quote is a bit out of context, but he turned it around nicely.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:32 AM   #9
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I think it starts going downhill when he hits him with the earmarks.
Russert's questions on earmarks and term limits is bogus.

He's asking him, if you don't want big't gov't and unlimited terms, why don't you refuse earmarks and self-term limit?

That's like asking Dems, if you don't like Bush's tax cuts... why don't you give your share back?
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:34 AM   #10
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Russert's questions on earmarks and term limits is bogus.

He's asking him, if you don't want big't gov't and unlimited terms, why don't you refuse earmarks and self-term limit?

That's like asking Dems, if you don't like Bush's tax cuts... why don't you give your share back?
That's not analogous. That's like asking me, if I don't like tax credits, why don't I stop writing new ones into the budget? Ordinary taxpayers don't get to write earmarks into the budget. Fact is, if Paul hadn't written in the earmarks, then the money could've been used for something besides his pet projects. It was his explanation that was bogus.

(*edit* actually your analogy does probably work a bit better with the term limits question, but it's still not an exact fit, IMO)
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:45 AM   #11
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Hasn't come on yet, but Tim Russert should be more agressive with the powerful, not just the east targets.
I agree, he treats candidates from the west with kid gloves.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:52 AM   #12
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That's not analogous. That's like asking me, if I don't like tax credits, why don't I stop writing new ones into the budget? Ordinary taxpayers don't get to write earmarks into the budget. Fact is, if Paul hadn't written in the earmarks, then the money could've been used for something besides his pet projects. It was his explanation that was bogus.
He does represent tax payers who paid that money into the tax coffers. I don't blame him one bit for taking his share back. I think the question just a bogus question. It's a "gotcha" in that the explanation is more subtle than the MTP format of Q and move on... allows for effective response.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:00 AM   #13
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He does represent tax payers who paid that money into the tax coffers. I don't blame him one bit for taking his share back. I think the question just a bogus question. It's a "gotcha" in that the explanation is more subtle than the MTP format of Q and move on... allows for effective response.
That'd be swell if he wasn't the candidate trumpeting "I always follow the Constitution and I don't take tax $ for unconstitutional purposes", but he is.

That's $ that can be used to pay down the deficit/debt. Do you really think it's each representative's job to just take as much $ home to their district as they can like it's a bank robbery?

How ridiculous is it (and Russert pointed this out) to vote against the budget bills that you know will pass to make your symbolic stand, all the while making sure to write in pet projects for your district? It's an empty gesture to vote against the bill in such circumstances. Not every congressman writes in so many earmarks that their district ranks as one of the top tax $ recipients, so it's also a matter of degree too. Basically the argument boils down to "well everyone else is doing it, so I'm going to get as much as i can" which is ridiculous for someone with his campaign platform.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:46 AM   #14
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:10 AM   #15
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How ridiculous is it (and Russert pointed this out) to vote against the budget bills that you know will pass to make your symbolic stand, all the while making sure to write in pet projects for your district? It's an empty gesture to vote against the bill in such circumstances.
Yeah, I have to agree with that. It doesn't seem very principled.
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