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Old 12-26-2007, 05:58 PM  
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Towery: Reagan would have voted for Ron Paul

Would Reagan Vote for Ron Paul?
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By Matt Towery
Dec 26, 2007


On Christmas Day, I glanced at the memorabilia from my years in politics. The photos and notes from Newt Gingrich. Candid shots of me with the likes of Jimmy Carter and of the brilliant mastermind of his presidential victory, Hamilton Jordan. Next were shots of me posing with Bill Clinton and then with both President Bushes.

And oh yes, here was a young U.S. Senate aide Matt Towery with one Ronald Reagan. Everyone knows there are plenty of people with photos of themselves with politicians. And there are loads of people who were close to Reagan. Many of them have both the credentials and the motives -- especially the motives -- to refute what I am about to write. Certainly my friends who still consider themselves respected experts and D.C. insiders would never dare write what follows. They would be cast off into the outer circles of the political establishment.

Personally, I could care less. So here goes. Reagan was once an Iowan. He once broadcast University of Iowa football games, and he later was "discovered" by Hollywood when living in Des Moines.

It is my personal belief that if Reagan were alive and living in Iowa today, and he had to choose among the Republican presidential candidates, that he would likely choose the man the GOP establishment and national media have written off -- Congressman Ron Paul.

To begin with, there is little doubt that for at least foreign policy, Reagan was basically a non-interventionist. He bragged about the fact that the United States did not occupy foreign countries. He stressed in virtually every speech about the "Evil Empire" of the Soviet Union that they must be brought down, but not by use of force or war. When provoked by Libya's Muammar al-Qaddafi, the Osama bin Laden of the 1980s, Reagan used strategic bombing next to the quarters in which al-Qaddafi was sleeping to bring the brash "terrorist" to his knees.

Even the vicious murder of more than 200 troops in Lebanon did not provoke invasion or war. Instead, Reagan removed U.S. presence there in order to cool down an ultra-hot situation. Oh yes, we did invade Grenada. More a military exercise than a true battle.

As for domestic policy, again Reagan's philosophy seems closer to that of Paul's than any other Republican candidate today. Reagan constantly railed against big government. In speech after speech, he emphasized the need to adhere to the Constitution, and to respect the powers of the individual states. Sound familiar?

As for some of Dr. Paul's more far-fetched positions, they may be "out there," but it wasn't hard for me to find quotes from Reagan that reflected nearly the same sentiments. For example, Paul's concerns about a monetary system based on something closer and closer to worthless paper was similarly expressed by Reagan as early as 1964 when he stumped for Barry Goldwater for president.

In a speech that year, Reagan expressed concerns about America losing its monetary independence. And, eerily, he alluded to fears about foreign nations owning American currency.

As I try to remind my friends who were around in 1980, Reagan was considered by the mainstream Republican establishment to be as kooky as many label Paul as being.

Gerald Ford in 1980 was quoted in Time Magazine as saying that Reagan was "unelectable." It is no wonder that when Reagan challenged Ford some four years earlier for the GOP nomination, Paul was one of only a handful of sitting congressmen who supported Reagan's effort.

What Paul lacks is Reagan's movie-star looks, and the credibility that comes with having been governor of California. Even without those attributes, Paul has managed to become the first Republican candidate I've seen since 1980 that can draw huge crowds so devoted to their candidate that they seem almost cult-like in their zeal. Believe it or not, that's what we thought of the Reagan crowds that gathered early in his bid for president in 1980.

The fact is that Reagan tamed both his rhetoric and the implementation of his agenda to meet the realities of the presidency. My guess is that were Ron Paul to have such a chance, he would inevitably do the same.

I still believe that between the Republican Party's longing to appear "mainstream" and the national political media's fear of appearing to give in to "fringe elements," that Paul's quest for the nomination will fall far short in the end.

But as I have said before, Lord help both parties if he decides to run as a third-party candidate. They may not like what he might say, but he would darn sure say it.

As Reagan said once said when a debate moderator cut him short, "I paid for this microphone." Paul might just buy one of his own.

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Old 12-26-2007, 05:59 PM   #2
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Old 12-26-2007, 06:00 PM   #3
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Towery: Reagan would have voted for Ron Paul

Considering that none of us are Ronald Reagan this is pretty much garbage.
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Old 12-26-2007, 06:02 PM   #4
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Old 12-26-2007, 06:04 PM   #5
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Old 12-26-2007, 06:27 PM   #6
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Reagan: Who the hell is Matt Towery?


Towery was the only pollster last cycle who called the Kerry win in Iowa. He's pretty well known in conservative circles.
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:58 PM   #7
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When provoked by Libya's Muammar al-Qaddafi, the Osama bin Laden of the 1980s, Reagan used strategic bombing next to the quarters in which al-Qaddafi was sleeping to bring the brash "terrorist" to his knees.
Forgive me, all ye who venerate the great Ronald Reagan, but I have quite a hard time believing that Ron Paul would order such a thing.

In fact Reagan's policies toward the Soviets seem opposite of this non-interventionist mindset. The whole idea of his foreign policy directed at the Soviet Union was one of us taking the offensive and rejecting a reactive approach like the former containment policies, which had failed to give birth in many years of trying.

Will someone convince me that Ron Paul would have underwent the defense buildup that Reagan did to bankrupt the Soviet Union, trying to replace their own decades-behind technology? Would Ron Paul have spent billions on SDI, as if to say, we'll race you to the moon if we have to?

Perhaps both men would rightly recognize that the principal weakness of that system of government was that it takes away peoples' hope for a better life for themselves and encases their national feet in concrete in the process. But I don't have any trouble seeing a cold war under a non-intervention policy continuing for 20 or 30 more years, and the people of Russia suffering more decades as a result. I'm not even sure I should rule out that we would have underwent a degree of disarmament, under the auspices of maintaining an adequate defense and nothing more.

I'm not sure why non-intervention is thought to be limited to military intervention. The defense spending along with what Reagan did to deflate the price of oil, oil being their main avenue of economic viability, while convincing other nations not to export key technologies to them... none of these smack of non interventionism to me.

What part of the Paulian construct would advocate aggressively attacking the foundations of another nation's system of government and its economic infrastructure by whatever means, be they bombs or bullets or paper currency or barrels of oil or satellites that zap missiles with lasers?
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:31 PM   #8
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:51 PM   #9
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Towery was the only pollster last cycle who called the Kerry win in Iowa. He's pretty well known in conservative circles.
If Towery can hypothetically quote Reagan, so can I.
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:58 PM   #10
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Old 12-26-2007, 10:23 PM   #11
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Perhaps both men would rightly recognize that the principal weakness of that system of government was that it takes away peoples' hope for a better life for themselves and encases their national feet in concrete in the process.
The sad thing is that we've adopted that system for all intents and purposes, and every republican but Paul is offering people government cheese of one type or another.


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I'm not sure why non-intervention is thought to be limited to military intervention.
It's definitely not. Paul is an advocate of non-interventionism of all types: military, economic, and social. He truly believes in the traditional conservative laissez fair approach to governing on the macro level, allowing people to interact as representatives on the micro level. Opening trade up to communist Cuba is a good example of a Paulian policy. Dr. Paul feels that our problem isn't with the Cuban people, but with the Cuban government. He'd rather get that point across by turning the tables on them and isolating their government from their people by opening up trade relations with them and putting an American face on America (rather than the propagandized face that their government surely shows them). People can tell the difference between propaganda and the truth once they've been exposed to reality (which, by the way, is why Dr. Paul's campaign has gotten so popular and will continue to increase in popularity). Eventually, Cuban government will have to close down trade from their end, isolating the people from their government even further. Having tasted the riches of trade with America, and realizing that it is their government that is keeping them from tasting such prosperity, revolt would not be far off.

I couldn't say for certain how Dr. Paul would handle the cold war. And the point is actually more academic than it is useful. We don't live in a cold war time. We live in the so-called age of terror. I suspect that Dr. Paul would similarly want to let these problems be solved on a micro level, while working to preserve our liberty on the macro level - which especially includes the defense of our nation.

I found an article that I thought was pretty fair on the doctrine of non-intervention that is worth a read: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...an_as_ron.html
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:35 AM   #12
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Reagan a nonintervenionist? You have got to be kidding.

Do you remember Lebanon? Iraq-Iran War? Iran-contra? Panama? Grenada? El-Salvador? Nicaruagua? Afghanistan?

That looks like a lot of intervention for somebody who's supposedly a noninterventionist. Paying lip service to noninterventionism and actually being a noninterventionist are two different things. Ronald Regan was a lip service president much in the same way that GW Bush is a lip service president.

Why do some people insist on rewriting history? Bush interventionist foreign policy is nothing more than Reagan's interventionist foreign policy on steroids.
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Old 12-27-2007, 10:38 AM   #13
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Reagan a nonintervenionist? You have got to be kidding.

Do you remember Lebanon? Iraq-Iran War? Iran-contra? Panama? Grenada? El-Salvador? Nicaruagua? Afghanistan?

That looks like a lot of intervention for somebody who's supposedly a noninterventionist. Paying lip service to noninterventionism and actually being a noninterventionist are two different things. Ronald Regan was a lip service president much in the same way that GW Bush is a lip service president.

Why do some people insist on rewriting history? Bush interventionist foreign policy is nothing more than Reagan's interventionist foreign policy on steroids.
So you're a liberal, eh?

You forgot Libya.
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Old 12-27-2007, 01:27 PM   #14
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Reagan a nonintervenionist? You have got to be kidding.

Do you remember Lebanon? Iraq-Iran War? Iran-contra? Panama? Grenada? El-Salvador? Nicaruagua? Afghanistan?

That looks like a lot of intervention for somebody who's supposedly a noninterventionist. Paying lip service to noninterventionism and actually being a noninterventionist are two different things. Ronald Regan was a lip service president much in the same way that GW Bush is a lip service president.

Why do some people insist on rewriting history? Bush interventionist foreign policy is nothing more than Reagan's interventionist foreign policy on steroids.

IMO, penchief shreds the silly notion at the heart of this thread.
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I personally thought the author did a good job of pre-empting these claims. He noted that ideologically, Paul and Reagan are very similar (which is why Paul was one of the only ones supporting Reagan's candidacy early on), and he noted that "The fact is that Reagan tamed both his rhetoric and the implementation of his agenda to meet the realities of the presidency. My guess is that were Ron Paul to have such a chance, he would inevitably do the same."
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