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Old 12-31-2007, 06:17 AM  
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In 27 years we have drafted and developed 5 offensive lineman

Heard this stat on Metro Sports.

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John Alt
Tim Grunhard
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Will Shields
John Tait

Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:00 AM   #2
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You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:56 AM   #3
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You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.
Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.
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Old 12-31-2007, 09:02 AM   #4
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Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.
I'll do you one better BigRedChief.

Historically, (see the last 10 years) we are pretty inept in building a winning team as our GM no longer has it...... If he ever did.

It's going to be a long 2 years.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:05 AM   #5
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:05 AM   #6
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Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.
Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:29 AM   #7
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Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.
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4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:31 AM   #8
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And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:32 AM   #9
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We had an excellent O line during the Marty, Gunther and DV eras. This is the first time in Carl's history with the Chiefs that we have had a horrible O line. Clearly drafting isn't the only way to get a good offensive line.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:33 AM   #10
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And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:36 AM   #11
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:43 AM   #12
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Lake might have been good if he wasn't hurt all the time.
What about Sly Mo?
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:25 AM   #13
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Evidence 101

4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois
Wow. You've gone way back before Carl was here. I'd say more than half of those are from the 80's.
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:42 AM   #14
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Lutz, Graham, and Riley were all productive starters for us. And Jerry Ostroski and Jay Leeuwenberg were starters for Buffalo and Washington for quite awhile in the 90's.
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