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Old 01-03-2008, 09:29 PM  
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State your position, for the record. STH the problem?

Time to get everyone on record.

There are some folks around here intent on telling STH how to spend their money.

That STH's are to blame for the state of the franchise. It's the fault of STH's that Carl Peterson is still in charge down at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Don't hold back, tell us how you feel.

Personally, I think no different of someone who chooses not to, or doesn't have the money to be a STH. That's a personal decision, what you do with your money is none of my business, IMO.

Fans are fans, whether they make a financial commitment to the franchise or not. I don't think that it's anyone's place to belittle a group of fans because of the financial commitment or lack thereof towards their team.

This is a no-holds barred thread. Be honest.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:32 PM   #2
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STH = Season Ticket Holder?

My position is to blame people who have to turn everything into an acronym (PWHTTEIAA), NTTIAWWT.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:32 PM   #3
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STH = Season Ticket Holder?

My position is to blame people who have to turn everything into an acronym (PWHTTEIAA), NTTIAWWT.



Yes, Season Ticket Holder.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:41 PM   #4
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No, they aren't.

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Old 01-03-2008, 09:42 PM   #5
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No, they aren't.

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Care to go into detail?

Does it piss you off that people are trying to tell you how to spend YOUR money?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:44 PM   #6
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It is not the season ticket holder's fault. But they do have a lot of power if they choose to use it.

One thing though, if you are a STH and you say you are not going to renew, then stand behind your words and DON'T.

Follow Joe's example.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:45 PM   #7
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Absolutely not.

Season Ticket Holders are not to blame. An organization that bases itself on loyalty is the problem.

Without fans, this team doesn't exist.

It should not fall to driving away fans before changes are made. It is completely asenine. Evaluation should occur based on performance not loyalty.

Frankly, I don't think it will make any difference. From what I've seen, Carl is the GM come hell or high water. Carl focuses on money, but I'm not sure Clark does. There are lots of dudes out there that can make money. Dudesthat aren't bashed in the local media and hated by fans. From what I can tell it is all about loyalty.

I'm a n00b. If you think I'm wrong, I probably am.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #8
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Lamar Hunt stood by Steadman for how many years while there was an empty stadium?

I don't know how far Clark is gonna stry from his dad, but so far I'm unimpressed. It seems that he's gonna be loyal to a fault, as well, which hurts. But that also probably means that regardless of what the fans think, he's gonna do what he wants.
Besides, the tickets are only a small portion of the money the team makes anyway, if I remember correctly.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #9
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Fans are assholes. They keep buying stuff keeping our team shitty. Dumbasses
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #10
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It's a personal decision. It's my money and I'll do with it what I want. Personally, I don't think a half empty stadium will get King Carl out of here. He's here for 2 more years regardless of what we do with our money.

I don't think I'm a better fan than a non STH because I'm spending $3K a year on tickets and they are not. Again it's a personal decision.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:49 PM   #11
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It's a personal decision. It's my money and I'll do with it what I want. Personally, I don't think a half empty stadium will get King Carl out of here. He's here for 2 more years regardless of what we do with our money.

I don't think I'm a better fan than a non STH because I'm spending $3K a year on tickets and they are not. Again it's a personal decision.
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It is not the season ticket holder's fault. But they do have a lot of power if they choose to use it.

One thing though, if you are a STH and you say you are not going to renew, then stand behind your words and DON'T.

Follow Joe's example.
I think they have a lot less power than some are giving them credit for.

I've told this to Joe before, I respect his decision. It's HIS money and it's HIS time. Not mine.

But I can also tell you this:

They aren't crying in their Luxury Boxes down at Arrowhead because he's gone.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:52 PM   #13
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I think they have a lot less power than some are giving them credit for.

I've told this to Joe before, I respect his decision. It's HIS money and it's HIS time. Not mine.

But I can also tell you this:

They aren't crying in their Luxury Boxes down at Arrowhead because he's gone.
If MOST of them quit, it would make noise. But 1 STH can't do shit. Kinda like voting. YOUR vote doesn't mean shit, but voters in mass have power.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:53 PM   #14
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I think they have a lot less power than some are giving them credit for.

I've told this to Joe before, I respect his decision. It's HIS money and it's HIS time. Not mine.

But I can also tell you this:

They aren't crying in their Luxury Boxes down at Arrowhead because he's gone.
Oh I agree. It would take A TON of STHs canceling and A TON of fans resisting the temptation to purchase.

It will never happen and we all know that.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:54 PM   #15
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Lamar Hunt stood by Steadman for how many years while there was an empty stadium?

I don't know how far Clark is gonna stry from his dad, but so far I'm unimpressed. It seems that he's gonna be loyal to a fault, as well, which hurts. But that also probably means that regardless of what the fans think, he's gonna do what he wants.
Besides, the tickets are only a small portion of the money the team makes anyway, if I remember correctly.
Funny you bring that up.

Vlad is on his high horse in another thread calling out STH's as the problem.

Yet he discloses that he was a STH between 1977 and 1989.

So it's perfectly fine for him to sit at Arrowhead for 12 years without "sending a message," it's wrong of current STH's to do the same.

Bit hypocritical, eh?
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