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Old 01-05-2008, 02:12 PM  
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Todd Collins

I haven't watched the Redskins much this season, but according to commentaors and analysts, he has been playing pretty well, and is a big reason the Skins have advanced to the playoffs.

So the question comes to mind.

Would the Chiefs be any worse off today had they not given up a first round pick for Trent Green and just given Collins the job when Dick came to town?
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:13 PM   #2
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I think the Chiefs would have been a lot better off if Herm would have kept Al Saunders here.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:14 PM   #3
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I don't think Collins would have put up the numbers Green did.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:14 PM   #4
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It's tough to say. Collins is having success in an offense he was with for 7 years now.

Would he have had that type of success just learning the system?

I doubt it.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:15 PM   #5
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I think the Chiefs would have been a lot better off if Herm would have kept Al Saunders here.
Saunders wasn't staying here.

It had nothing to do with Herm. He wasn't playing second fiddle for Carl any longer.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:17 PM   #6
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I think the Chiefs would have been a lot better off if Herm would have kept Al Saunders here.

that wasn't an option
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:18 PM   #7
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I think the Chiefs would have been a lot better off if Al Saunders had been promoted to HC.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:19 PM   #8
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The Redskins are here because of their Defense, BTW
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:23 PM   #9
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I don't think Collins would have put up the numbers Green did.
I would agree with that.

That, however isn't the question.

Would the Chiefs be any worse off if they hadn't traded for Green?

We suck now.

Would we suck anymore?
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:24 PM   #10
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The Redskins are here because of their Defense, BTW
And also Sean Taylor's spectral powers.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:26 PM   #11
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I don't think Collins could have done what Green did as soon. But I said at the time, and got roasted for it a few weeks ago, the mistake was made keeping Huard instead of Collins.

Of course, we know why Herm didn't keep Collins. It fit with his plan of getting rid of all of DVs players and coaches.

Herm's ego is very expensive.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:27 PM   #12
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In 2002, most definitely...Collins didn't know the system.

In 2004, I don't think we would have been able to tell the difference.

Just my opinion...
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:27 PM   #13
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The Redskins are here because of their Defense, BTW
Again, I haven't watched the Skins.

I am just raising the question because Collins has started the last 4(?) games, and apparently hasn't sucked.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:27 PM   #14
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Oh, and, I do realize Green had three million INT's in 2002...so maybe 2003 is what I meant?
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:28 PM   #15
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I said at the time, and got roasted for it a few weeks ago, the mistake was made keeping Huard instead of Collins.

Of course, we know why Herm didn't keep Collins. It fit with his plan of getting rid of all of DVs players and coaches.

Herm's ego is very expensive.

Was Huard not here when Vermeil was?
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