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Old 01-05-2008, 09:29 PM  
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These candidates are basically idiots

I have now heard 4 of them say that the 12 million immigrants have to leave the country. They then admit that making that happen is not practical. Then finally they say the government does not have to deport them because if their plan is implement (various plans) the illegal immigrants will voluntarily leave the county. They cannot really believe that horseshit.

By the way Rudy, Fred, John, and Mitt's health care insurance through mandates are as scary or more scary than the plans being put forth for national healthcare by the Democrats.

Ron Paul is being awfully quiet and I think it may actually be helping him.

P.S. the though of watching Rudy addressing the nation`100s of times as President is scary. By the way he comes across as the next Mussolini of his time.
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Old 01-05-2008, 09:34 PM   #2
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I have now heard 4 of them say that the 12 million immigrants have to leave the country. They then admit that making that happen is not practical. Then finally they say the government does not have to deport them because if their plan is implement (various plans) the illegal immigrants will voluntarily leave the county. They cannot really believe that horseshit.

By the way Rudy, Fred, John, and Mitt's health care insurance through mandates are as scary or more scary than the plans being put forth for national healthcare by the Democrats.

Ron Paul is being awfully quiet and I think it may actually be helping him.

P.S. the though of watching Rudy addressing the nation`100s of times as President is scary. By the way he comes across as the next Mussolini of his time.
Mitt Romney is the only candidiate pushing mandates for health care....

He said tonight at the debate, "I love mandates".... wow.





But Rudy was right on tonight on Immigration:

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Old 01-05-2008, 09:37 PM   #3
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Old 01-05-2008, 09:43 PM   #4
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recxjake you are so blinded by the gleam you see in Rudy that you are no longer objective. It would be a waste of my time to try and rationally discuss this with you.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:53 PM   #5
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if their plan is implemented (various plans) the illegal immigrants will voluntarily leave the county.
Oh yeah right.... 12 million Mexicans are going to pick up roots and go back to Mexico. You Republicans would be funny if you didn't have so many dang votes....
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:07 PM   #6
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If you successfully take away jobs and entitlement programs, and aggressively deport the ones you catch, it seems to me at least a portion are going to decide it's not worth it anymore. Add to that a secure border and I'm not sure what more you can do.

There are already stories in some of the border states of communities migrating back to Mexico because of aggressive enforcement policies. Imagine if the whole country was doing it.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:14 PM   #7
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Oh yeah right.... 12 million Mexicans are going to pick up roots and go back to Mexico. You Republicans would be funny if you didn't have so many dang votes....
Exactly, when I heard the candidates make that statement I literally thought, WTF are they really this dumb?
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:16 PM   #8
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If you successfully take away jobs and entitlement programs, and aggressively deport the ones you catch, it seems to me at least a portion are going to decide it's not worth it anymore. Add to that a secure border and I'm not sure what more you can do.

There are already stories in some of the border states of communities migrating back to Mexico because of aggressive enforcement policies. Imagine if the whole country was doing it.
I guess I would want to see documented evidence that supports this statement. I am not suggesting you are lying, just that I have significant doubts they really are returning to Mexico.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:16 PM   #9
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Oh yeah right.... 12 million Mexicans are going to pick up roots and go back to Mexico. You Republicans would be funny if you didn't have so many dang votes....

You democrats would be perfect if you didn't want to force your ideals and way of life on me.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:18 PM   #10
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If you successfully take away jobs and entitlement programs, and aggressively deport the ones you catch, it seems to me at least a portion are going to decide it's not worth it anymore. Add to that a secure border and I'm not sure what more you can do.

There are already stories in some of the border states of communities migrating back to Mexico because of aggressive enforcement policies. Imagine if the whole country was doing it.


How hard could it possibly be to require proof of citizenship before providing ANY services? You can't prove your American, you can't see the doctor or get the foodstamps. Then what? I have a hunch that if an illegal family is facing death of a child because they can't prove citizenship, they may not want to be here in the first place.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:26 PM   #11
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Mussolini? I'm no Rudy fan but come on. You guys accuse him of preaching on fear, and then you say things like 'he could be the mussolini of his time', as if we are all going to be cowering in attics hoping the blackshirts don't find the secret passage behind the bookcase.

Somebody here is fearmongering, but it's not Rudy.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:30 PM   #12
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I guess I would want to see documented evidence that supports this statement. I am not suggesting you are lying, just that I have significant doubts they really are returning to Mexico.
We can fix this a lot easier than people think, I bet. We create a new agency of some kind that exclusively enforces immigration law in hiring practices. They can send their inspectors and raiding parties out to every turkey processing plant and coffee-can factory in America. Whoever is responsible for knowingly hiring illegals, including through neglecting to require verifiable proof of citizenship, faces jail time. Put a sentencing guideline on it, 2-5 years.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:32 PM   #13
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I guess I would want to see documented evidence that supports this statement. I am not suggesting you are lying, just that I have significant doubts they really are returning to Mexico.
Here's a couple of articles I Googled. Some are going to Mexico, some just to other states that don't crack down.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943244/posts

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/related/71835.php
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:36 PM   #14
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Mussolini? I'm no Rudy fan but come on. You guys accuse him of preaching on fear, and then you say things like 'he could be the mussolini of his time', as if we are all going to be cowering in attics hoping the blackshirts don't find the secret passage behind the bookcase.

Somebody here is fearmongering, but it's not Rudy.
I suppose we are both fearmongering, the difference is I do not have the power to take away your rights.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:40 PM   #15
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We can fix this a lot easier than people think, I bet. We create a new agency of some kind that exclusively enforces immigration law in hiring practices. They can send their inspectors and raiding parties out to every turkey processing plant and coffee-can factory in America. Whoever is responsible for knowingly hiring illegals, including through neglecting to require verifiable proof of citizenship, faces jail time. Put a sentencing guideline on it, 2-5 years.
I am not against your idea at all, but being realistic as a 17 year old I could get a fake drivers license with picture so obviously it is not that hard to get fake documents. How do you realistically enforce this policy on companies who legitimately obtain the required documentation but was unable to prove it was valid? Remember we are talking at least 12 million people.
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