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Old 08-01-2001, 04:06 PM  
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Chiefs are racist

How can you guys be fans of a clearly racist team? Teams like the 'Redskins' and the 'Chiefs' are clearly depicting American Indians in an inappropriate manner. As if the white man has not done enough damage to the Indian culture and heritage, football teams like the Chiefs must portray Indians and their mascot and portray American Indians in a demoralizing manner.

The US would never stand for team names like the 'Honkies', 'Spooks', 'RagHeads', 'WOPs', or 'Slants'. Why then should we be subjected to the desecration of the American Indian?

By simply supporting this, what I consider to be a criminal organization, you are backing the negative portrayal of the American Indian. Therefore, I consider you not Chiefs fans, but racists. The path to Arrowhead Stadium is truly a Trail of Tears.

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Old 08-02-2001, 12:06 AM   #376
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Finally, I have yet to hear a Nordic transplant or a Texas Horse Rancher whine about the Vikings or the Cowboys
Actually KCWolfman, my last name is Norwegian, and I must say that I am outraged that an NFL team would lampoon my heritage. You'd think that in our enlightened age people would understand that those of us with Nordic blood who happen to live in Kansas, do not, I repeat, do not travel by longboat. Perhaps the perpetuation of that stereotype is more plausible in Minnesota, the land of 10,000 lakes--but I assume that my Viking brothers up north use other forms of land based transportation as well.

Let me set the records straight on one thing; the horned hats.

Yes, they are very cool. And yes, I know other ethnic groups wish they had thought of them before us. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but no one has been able to successfully pull off the two horned helmet since we sailed across the Atlantic to discover the Americas long before Columbus. (You know they tried to rob that fact from our heritage--it's a conspiracy, I tell you. They are always trying to put us down. Everyone knows the Vikings have been to the Superbowl several times without winning--the reason? All the Refs were descendants of Columbus, yep that's it.) But back to our beloved horned helmets that the football team shamelessly tries to imitate with thier logo. Only one other group has successfully been able to put a horn on their helmets, but their glory paled in comparison as the Germanic tribes to the south (circa WW1) botched the two horn helmet and was only able to affix a single horn to their helmets (hundreds of years after we successfully mastered to two horned helmet).

Yes, as Vikings we were master seamen, yes we have beautiful fjords, and yes, we have the hats that are the envy of all. To strip our heritage, to mock our contributions to humanity by making us a mascot for a football team is a crime against all people. These feelings have been welling up for some time, and now I think its time America understood the plight of my people. Sometimes it just makes me so mad that I about go into a Viking berserker rage......

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Old 08-02-2001, 12:18 AM   #377
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All I have to say is this "falstaff" is a troll, and should be kicked off the BB.
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Old 08-02-2001, 12:20 AM   #378
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Can't you people see that this guy is just pushing your buttons, getting you all worked up over this for his own amusement? Ignore him and eventually he'll stop.
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Old 08-02-2001, 01:22 AM   #379
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splatbass- this is has NO TROLLING POLICY


thats why you have report this post to a moderater option
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Old 08-02-2001, 03:29 AM   #380
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I know those guys are long gone, but for what it's worth...

Let's start with the term "racist":
It's not racist to like the Chiefs or the Braves or to LIKE anything else. It's racist when you HATE some one because of their race. Stereotyping is something totally different altogether. Racists believe they would be better off if the other "race(s)" would go away or die off. Surely you would agree that the Chiefs or any other sports organization is in no way supporting this belief. Racists are prone to violence, not football.

Next up... Stereotyping:
Let's start off with a lesson about what makes up "bad" stereotypes. Take trailer parks for example. Two major stereotypes exist. One, low income white people that listen to ACDC and Lynard Skynard live there. That is clearly a derogatory stereotype. Two, that trailer parks are frequently hit by tornadoes. (not derogatory)
The stereotype of an indian having a headress and wearing warpaint and hanging around with other indians in a tribe and one of them being the chief is not derogatory. It's just a portrayal. The stereotype of indians prancing around a fire going "woo woo" and scalping innocent people, now that is derogatory. So your beef isn't with sports franchises it's with old Hollywood movies.

Next, a lesson in the English language and the importance of context.

Several times in this thread you have made known your frustrations with us on the board taking your comments out of context. So you know the importance of what is said isn't as important as WHY it is said. Moreover, in pro sports, the indian names and mascots etc... are used in the context of comradary and sportsmanship, not to mach or poke fun at the american indians or their culture. To take it that way is as bad as us taking your well meant comments out of context.

Also, I see your point about some people being offended anyway. I am not so biggoted that I just say that it's their problem. Out of respect for you, I would not go to your house for dinner and wear my Chiefs sweater if I knew you felt this way. The same way I will only do the "chop" at Chiefs games in the context of football and sports. I would NEVER drive by a reservation and do the "chop" That would be totally inapropriate and VERY offensive. The same way, if I was at the Vietnam Memorial I would not sing ... and the home of the CHIEFS. That would be very offensive to the men who died for my freedom. However, I will screem CHIEFS at the top of my lungs at Arrowhead stadium because, I am glad that in this country, I can go root for these guys instead of getting up in the morning to throw rocks at the tanks in my front yard.

By the way, there are no teams called the "white men" or the "black guys" because those ethnic groups are too wide spread to be powerful symbols. If white people travled together in small, tight knit groups than you would probably see those titles in sports too. Consider: gypsies, nomads, pirates, indians, cowboys, outlaws, sodiers, infantry, etc... all of these are smaller groups and all would be/are fine names for teams except maybe gypsies: sounds too feminine, but you get the point.
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Old 08-02-2001, 04:00 AM   #381
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The path to Arrowhead Stadium is truly a Trail of Tears.
I really wonder about your knowledge of Cherokee history. I myself being of direct Cherokee lineage take great offense that you equate Arrowhead stadium with one of the saddest crimes upon humanity(Indian Removal Act, 1830). Nunna daul Tsuny


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mmccann2333 that post of yours should get the "post of the month award"

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Old 08-02-2001, 05:57 AM   #382
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Holy crap!! I really need to find time to get on this bulletin board from home ... looks like I missed a doozy!

This is all that needs to be brought up, IMO:

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This guy is so ****ing stupid he doesn't even know what they were named after. How much can he possibly know about anything else relating to mascot names? I wonder if he's done this at other BBs (for Indian, Redskins, et al) ... kinda like a personal crusade?

What a

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Old 08-02-2001, 06:03 AM   #383
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hey, thanks Cooter. Nice thoughts. So do you work nights too? I notice you and just a few others are the only ones ever on here. The midnight to 8:00 shift gets a little lonely on the Planet. Also, kudos to Kyle for the upgrades.




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Old 08-02-2001, 06:09 AM   #384
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Mark M,

I think this is more about taking a shot at our football team. If you take the time to read through his/her posts, you see several comments about the Chiefs "suck" and are " pathetic" yada, yada, yada. My guess this is some disgruntled Bronco or Raiders fan just trying to stir up **** and he could probably care less about all the "racist" stuff.

I have to say I'm impressed with my fellow Planet Members. You guys stuck it to this moron pretty good over night. I wished I could have zinged him better but I get so mad over this stupid PC ****, I can't think straight.

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Old 08-02-2001, 06:11 AM   #385
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Maybe Packfan has found a new way to stir up crap?

Of course, the Packers are offensive to a variety of people ... meat packers, box packers, fudge packers ...

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Old 08-02-2001, 06:13 AM   #386
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Packfan, Broncofan, or any number of idiots who troll here.
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Old 08-02-2001, 06:57 AM   #387
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I have always been offended by the "Patriots". Everyone knows they were really slave-owning, right wingers who didnt want to pay their fair share of taxes. "Vikings" anger me as well. Pasty faced white guys who pillage and rape. "Bills","Cowboys","Packers", "Saints", 'Giants", "Jets","Raiders", "Steelers", "Chargers", "49ers", "Bucaneers", and "Titans" are obviously tributes to Catholic, industrialist, enviormentaly-unfriendly, killers of animals and the weak, who tower over those smaller then themselves. Now "Rams" on the other hand is acceptable. Everyone knows the mighty sheep is the symbol of tolerance. Of course they may just be nicknames.
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Old 08-02-2001, 07:37 AM   #388
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GOOD LORD!!!!

I left this discussion last night (with quite an appetite, I might add) around 8 pm right after it hit 200 posts.
I think I know why people were feeding the troll instead of doing the "recipe maneuver"...this is the first "raid" we've really had on the Planet. Think about it; Packfan is, well Packfan, as is Bronco Fan, but at least they talk football.
Falstaff / Pearlman / Sybil were here to just push buttons. Obviously they succeeded, but I have to admit I had fun.
Kept wondering throughout the food fight where Bob Dole has been?
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Old 08-02-2001, 07:49 AM   #389
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This thread DIES now. I won't hesitate to delete it.

A freaking TROLL generates a post with over 350 replies?

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Old 08-02-2001, 07:51 AM   #390
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Aw c'mon Parker, we're just having a little troll bashing fun. Rule number one, when someone wants to make an idiot of themselves, you get out of the way and let them do it.

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