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Old 03-03-2008, 02:54 PM  
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Did the Conservative Party in Canada attempt to interfere with our election?

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...38038720080303
Canada says didn't misrepresent Obama over NAFTA
Mon Mar 3, 2008 3:05pm EST
By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada on Monday denied it had tried to sway the U.S. presidential election by misrepresenting Democratic candidate Barack Obama with the suggestion that he didn't really believe his criticisms of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Obama and rival Hillary Clinton -- who both blame the deal for job losses -- say the United States could quit NAFTA unless Canada and Mexico agree to major changes.

Key Obama economic advisor Austan Goolsbee discussed his candidate's policies with the Canadian consulate in Chicago, which wrote a report suggesting Obama's words on NAFTA were designed for a political audience and shouldn't be taken too seriously.

The report was leaked to the U.S. media, prompting some Democrats to accuse Canada's right-leaning Conservative government of trying to interfere in the election -- a charge dismissed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"I certainly deny any allegation that this government has attempted to interfere in the American election," he told Parliament.

"The American people will make the decision as to their next president and I am confident that whoever that person is ... (they) will continue the strong alliance, friendship and partnership that we enjoy with the United States."

Canada sends 75 percent of its exports to the United States and would be badly hurt if Washington pulled out of NAFTA. Government and opposition officials in Canada say they don't believe the talk of withdrawal is serious.

"In the recent report produced by the consulate general in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA," said a foreign ministry spokesman.

"We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect."

Political rivals in Canada regularly accuse Harper of following the policies of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Canada's opposition left-leaning New Democrats have demanded that Harper fire Chief of Staff Ian Brodie, whom they accuse of leaking the document.

"I'm a little bit amused by the question of the leader of the (New Democrats) who is suggesting that we are so all-powerful we could interfere in the American election, pick their president for them. This government doesn't claim that kind of power," said Harper.


http://communities.canada.com/sharei...afta-memo.aspx
The Canadian Embassy and our Consulates General regularly contact those involved in all of the Presidential campaigns and, periodically, report on these contacts to interested officials. In the recent report produced by the Consulate General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect.

The people of the United States are in the process of choosing a new President and are fortunate to have strong and impressive candidates from both political parties. Canada will not interfere in this electoral process. We look forward, however, to working with the choice of the American people in further building an unparalleled relationship with a close friend and partner."
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:16 PM   #2
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He's not even in office and there is already a foreign policy dust up involving him???

Sorry, it's not funny but it sure in the hell is amusing.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:21 PM   #3
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He's not even in office and there is already a foreign policy dust up involving him???

Sorry, it's not funny but it sure in the hell is amusing.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:30 PM   #4
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He's not even in office and there is already a foreign policy dust up involving him???

Sorry, it's not funny but it sure in the hell is amusing.
Hillary's being accused of having done the same thing, dipshit.

http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=921485

"CTV also quoted low-level sources stating the Clinton campaign made indirect contact with the Canadian government to reassure Ottawa about her support of NAFTA"

It sounds like the Canadians more or less trying to make both of them look bad because they love NAFTA up there.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:33 PM   #5
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Hillary's being accused of having done the same thing, dipshit.

http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=921485

"CTV also quoted low-level sources stating the Clinton campaign made indirect contact with the Canadian government to reassure Ottawa about her support of NAFTA"

It sounds like the Canadians more or less trying to make both of them look bad.
But Obama is the only one facing a scandal. How is that possible!?!
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:13 PM   #6
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Here's an interesting question:

Given the way we over-reach in the world, isn't it perfectly legitimate that other countries would want to have influence in our elections?

That's not a question of whether it's "right" or not. Just whether it's legitimate.
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:31 PM   #7
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Here's an interesting question:

Given the way we over-reach in the world, isn't it perfectly legitimate that other countries would want to have influence in our elections?

That's not a question of whether it's "right" or not. Just whether it's legitimate.
I think you are completely correct. It's a question of whether such actions are in their best interest.

It really makes you wonder whether the Conservative Party of Canada fears that Obama is serious about threatening NAFTA. Not only are they ideologically favorable to free-trade, but 70% of Canada's exports are to the US under NAFTA. So they have to take such threats seriously.
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:37 PM   #8
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I think you are completely correct. It's a question of whether such actions are in their best interest.

It really makes you wonder whether the Conservative Party of Canada fears that Obama is serious about threatening NAFTA. Not only are they ideologically favorable to free-trade, but 70% of Canada's exports are to the US under NAFTA. So they have to take such threats seriously.
It's my contention that the Conservative gov. in Canada wouldn't interfere unless they had a wink from the CON gov. HERE. Thus, if someone is trying to sabotage Obamessiah then it's because they're trying to help out someone here and it's not Clinton.
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It's my contention that the Conservative gov. in Canada wouldn't interfere unless they had a wink from the CON gov. HERE. Thus, if someone is trying to sabotage Obamessiah then it's because they're trying to help out someone here and it's not Clinton.
Clinton winning this race is the best possible thing for the McCain campaign and the GOP. Don't kid yourself. They don't have a meaningful coelescing theme against Obama, but they get a rock-solid one against Hillary. With Hillary as the Dem nominee, McCain can stop pandering to the far right and start moving agressively to the center. With Obama, he's forced to stay right in order to hold the base.

Clinton is a gift to McCain... and DC and CA both know this.
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:54 PM   #11
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Clinton winning this race is the best possible thing for the McCain campaign and the GOP. Don't kid yourself. They don't have a meaningful coelescing theme against Obama, but they get a rock-solid one against Hillary. With Hillary as the Dem nominee, McCain can stop pandering to the far right and start moving agressively to the center. With Obama, he's forced to stay right in order to hold the base.

Clinton is a gift to McCain... and DC and CA both know this.

I think you and I are on the same page here. But you might believe they were doing this more FOR Clinton and I tend to think they were doing it more for McCain.

Perhaps we are both seeing the same thing.
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I think you and I are on the same page here. But you might believe they were doing this more FOR Clinton and I tend to think they were doing it more for McCain.

Perhaps we are both seeing the same thing.
I believe they are doing it for McCain as well. Clinton is a proximate beneficiary.
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Hillary's being accused of having done the same thing, dipshit.

http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=921485

"CTV also quoted low-level sources stating the Clinton campaign made indirect contact with the Canadian government to reassure Ottawa about her support of NAFTA"

It sounds like the Canadians more or less trying to make both of them look bad because they love NAFTA up there.
It's OK that he's an insincere panderer talking out of both sides of his mouth as long as Hillary is doing the same thing.
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Here's an interesting question:

Given the way we over-reach in the world, isn't it perfectly legitimate that other countries would want to have influence in our elections?

That's not a question of whether it's "right" or not. Just whether it's legitimate.
If it's really not a question of whether it's "right" or not, I don't think "legitimate" is the best choice of words for your question. If you're asking whether it's "understandable" I could say yes.
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I think you are completely correct. It's a question of whether such actions are in their best interest.

It really makes you wonder whether the Conservative Party of Canada fears that Obama is serious about threatening NAFTA. Not only are they ideologically favorable to free-trade, but 70% of Canada's exports are to the US under NAFTA. So they have to take such threats seriously.
Not having Obama as president is in everyones best interest. Of course they are worried about NAFTA because Obama and Hillary are opening their mouths with out a clue.
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