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Old 03-04-2008, 02:39 PM  
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Super Tuesday II Results/Discussion Thread

Is it Clinton's Last Stand? Or will the show go on?
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:41 PM   #2
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:45 PM   #3
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Turnout appeared to be heavy. In Cleveland, heavy rains did not deter voters, and parts of Texas reported particularly strong turnout even though people had been voting there since Feb. 19.

"Best I can tell it’s a tsunami of voters,” said Gerry Birnberg, chairman of the Harris County Democratic Party, which encompasses Houston and its environs. At some polling sites there, as many as 100 voters lined up before the polls opened at 7 a.m., Mr. Birnberg said. A record 180,000 voters cast Democratic ballots in early voting in Harris County and some 300,000 more were expected today, far surpassing the 75,000 in the 2004 presidential election.

While the Mrs. Clinton projected determination to soldier on, the Obama campaign issued reminders of Mr. Clinton’s earlier statements saying that Mrs. Clinton needed to win Texas and Ohio.

“Three weeks ago, when they led polls in Texas and Ohio by 20 points, the Clinton campaign set their own test for today’s primaries,” Bill Burton, a spokesman, said in an e-mail statement. He set expectations for his candidate’s performance fairly low, saying Mr. Obama will maintain his delegate lead. But behind the scenes, leading supporters of Senator Barack Obama were working to persuade Democrats, particularly the superdelegates who could decide the nomination, to step forward and coalesce behind him as soon as Wednesday.

A few months ago, today’s voting was not expected to count much, thanks to a front-loaded calendar that was supposed to settle the nominations of both parties early. Instead, with the path to the Democratic nomination still unclear, voters in Texas flooded the polls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/us...hp&oref=slogin
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:52 PM   #4
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Five reasons Clinton could come back

By: Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris

For weeks, the widespread expectation among most campaign journalists has been that the race for the Democratic nomination will, for all practical purposes, come to an end Tuesday night with a victory for Barack Obama.

Given the predictive record of reporters so far this election cycle, that is by itself a good reason to believe that Hillary Rodham Clinton is headed later this evening for a game-changing comeback in Ohio and Texas.

If it happens, we can think of five reasons why....

1. The "SNL" Factor. Just when you thought no one watched "Saturday Night Live" anymore, the show made a star cameo on this year’s trail. The Not Ready for Prime Time Players were brutally effective in exposing the fawning coverage of Obama. Never underestimate the power of shame in journalism. "SNL’s" mockery went straight to reporters’ insecurities. Being accused of falling “in the tank” for a candidate is the journalistic equivalent of a nerdish high school freshman getting a wedgie from the jocks.....

2. Wolfson Barks. Howard Wolfson is Clinton’s hired thug, also known as campaign communications director. He holds a conference call every day to tell reporters they are worthless and weak (not to mention fat, lazy and stupid — no way to go through life) because of their soft Obama coverage. Again, reporters’ self-justifying mechanism kicks in when someone says they are being too tough. But their self-loathing mechanism kicks in when someone says they are being too weak. ...

3. Burying Bill. ...There was simply no way that the 42nd president could play a prominent role in Hillary’s campaign and not have reporters cover it as if he were the star and she were supporting actress. But where has Bill Clinton been lately? It is as if he was sent to Afghanistan on a secret mission with Prince Harry.

4. Sister Sledge. Reporters roll their eyes when Clinton or surrogates start suggesting she is the victim of sexist assumptions in political and media cultures. But the press this year may be underestimating how much those complaints ring true to many women. It could be that we are on the brink of another New Hampshire, where anecdotal evidence suggested that many women were self-consciously voting against a pundit-class story line that said the race was over and the smooth-talking man had won out over the hard-working woman.

5. Timing. Politics is all about the moment, defining it, capturing it, profiting from it. The Tony Rezko trial was a godsend. It started on Monday, which prompted The New York Times and scores of columnists to write about it over the weekend. The perfect hook for Clinton forces to raise questions about his judgment — only days after airing the infamous 3 a.m. scare ad that also questions his judgment. Coincidence? They don’t happen in politics.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8820.html
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:48 PM   #5
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Obama wins Vermont...yeah
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:48 PM   #6
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Republicans voting in the Democratic primary has gone from 2% to 10% in Ohio since last election and 5% to 10% in Texas. Looks like Limbaugh got what he wanted.
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:51 PM   #7
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Republicans voting in the Democratic primary has gone from 2% to 10% in Ohio since last election and 5% to 10% in Texas. Looks like Limbaugh got what he wanted.
I think most of them voted for Obama instead of against him but that is just my opinion
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:54 PM   #8
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I think most of them voted for Obama instead of against him but that is just my opinion
My friend's father voted for Hillary because of Limbaugh and apparently there were a lot of conservatives bragging about doing the same on talk radio down there. We'll see.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:43 PM   #9
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:47 PM   #10
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CNN projected that Obama won Vermont.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:57 PM   #11
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Matthews is talking about the "victory party" the Clintons will be throwing tonight regardless of what happens.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:17 PM   #13
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Barring an act of God Hillary will not be substantially closer to Obama tonight. No matter how Hillary spins it, the math says she can't win unless she slaughters Obama in Ohio and Texas.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:20 PM   #15
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Barring an act of God Hillary will not be substantially closer to Obama tonight. No matter how Hillary spins it, the math says she can't win unless she slaughters Obama in Ohio and Texas.
Well, she is slaughtering Obama in Ohio. Texas, it's still too early to tell...
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