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Old 03-05-2008, 01:32 PM  
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Per MSNBC: GOVs of MI and and CON FL calling for their delegates to be seated.

Wow, it's going to get U-G-L-Y.

Good for them for standing up for their voters. Although I suspect in Crist's case it's a case of CYA.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:34 PM   #2
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The one election that should have been a slam dunk for the Democrats and they're f'n it up.

The one bright spot is the Republicans are as stupid...
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:37 PM   #3
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Although I suspect in Crist's case it's a case of CYA.
What?
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Well, I just don't think there's any fair way to seat the delegates in MI without another vote or caucuses. Obama wasn't even on the freaking ballot. How could that be fair?
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:38 PM   #5
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Wow, it's going to get U-G-L-Y.

Good for them for standing up for their voters. Although I suspect in Crist's case it's a case of CYA.
Good, those states should count.

Michigan should be redone becuz BO wasn't on the ballot (his mistake, but none the less), but FL should be counted as is...IMO...

Kind of F'd up for the peeps not to be heard just because "the suits" blew it.
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Their delegates are going to get seated. After the nomination's already been decided.
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Well, I just don't think there's any fair way to seat the delegates in MI without another vote or caucuses. Obama wasn't even on the freaking ballot. How could that be fair?
Fair? We don't need no "fair"!
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:41 PM   #8
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What?
He and the FL legislature decided what the date would be and NOT the DEMS in the state. Thus, the Dems in FL were penalized for something that was completely out of their control.

Per Buc's link on the other thread:

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Passage of Florida legislative bill HB 537 has caused 1,684,390 US voters to become disenfranchised. Unless the RNC & DNC policies are changed, this could happen to you some day; regardless of your state or party affiliation. The contents of this website will discuss this bill, what happened; and what you can do to try to reverse this situation and prevent it from recurring. Please help us reinstate the voting rights of Florida Democrats. How you can help:

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If you have already signed a petition that combines the Michigan and Florida reinstatement effort, please sign this petition also. There are different arguments for each state and I believe they need to be argued independently.

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* The Florida Democratic Party did NOT change this date, the legislature did.
* The Florida legislature has an overwhelming Republican majority.
* The House of Representatives in Florida have 41 Democrats; 71 Republicans.
* The Senate in Florida have 14 Democrats; 26 Republicans
* The state of Florida has a Republican Governor.
* The citizens of the state of Florida did NOT vote on this date change.
* HB537 was passed in May 2007 & legislatively changed the Florida primary date.
* This date was, and still is, unalterable by the Florida Democrats
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Watch Obama be the first to try to disenfranchise the white voters of Florida.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:44 PM   #10
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Watch Obama be the first to try to disenfranchise the white voters of Florida.
Just as he and his fans are doing the superdelegate count all of a sudden.
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but FL should be counted as is...IMO...

I still have a hard time with FL because all of the candidates, including Hillary, agreed not to campaign there. BO probably wouldn't have won the state (it would probably be one of the hardest states for him to do well in IMO), but we have consistently seen that before his team shows up in a state, he is down huge in the polls, and then when they show up, he does much better. That was the case with TX and OH. So even if Obama would have lost FL anyway, it wouldn't be fair to just give it to Hillary at the current numbers because he didn't have a chance to make his case there, and the delegates are awarded proportionally, so even a losing vote for him is still important to his campaign.
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He and the FL legislature decided what the date would be and NOT the DEMS in the state. Thus, the Dems in FL were penalized for something that was completely out of their control.

Per Buc's link on the other thread:

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/032
I was just trying to understand who or what Crist was and how it was going to be cya.
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Just as he and his fans are doing the superdelegate count all of a sudden.
So you're on board with alleging that Obama's racist campaign is out to get whitey?
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I was just trying to understand who or what Crist was and how it was going to be cya.
Do you think he wants to be named in a lawsuit alleging actions harmful to voter's rights? I don't. He has his eyes on the WH. No way does he want any part of being an obstacle or an issue in the DEMS race.
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