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Old 03-12-2008, 02:01 PM  
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Conservative Republicans

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I consider myself to be a conservative Republican.....with a very limited knowledge of politics.

I have been asked to try to dissuade someone planning on voting Obama and while I have some perceptions I am curious what are the primary factual issues with Obama and can you provide a link to support not voting for him?

I don't care to create a flame war and am not interested in hearing about how great Obama is, so save your effort.
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:17 PM   #2
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:20 PM   #3
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:25 PM   #4
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:26 PM   #5
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I'd encourage them to vote for Obama, if they want to avoid WWIV. That should do it.
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:27 PM   #6
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I'd encourage them to vote for Obama, if they want to avoid WWIV. That should do it.
or that we will refuse to fight in a WWIII or WWIV. so you'll be safe at home.
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:28 PM   #7
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:28 PM   #8
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:32 PM   #9
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My biggest beef with him that nobody talks about at all is he's not only spending money like Democrats do, but he's not even spending it on good things. From a speech of his, he wants to increase foreign aid from 1 to 2 percent of our annual budget! Tax cuts for the middle class are absolutely stupid. How about just not taxing them as much money in the first place? This will go well for lots of people and them like Obama, but it's not going to do anything beneficial to the economy (stimulus packages of ANY kind no matter WHO receives them don't work) and it's only going to create the illusion of economic health, which DOESN'T EXIST.

Foriegn policy wise I trust him to be a better diplomat to other nations than Bush, or maybe perhaps even Clinton. But the other thing is he's getting a lot of anti-war people excited about him but he definitely isn't the candidate they're looking for. He's not proposing immediate withdrawal in the safest timeliest manner... he wants this "working towards bringing all troops home in 4 years" nonsense. That's absolutely ridiculous. Take them all out or keep them all there. I'm no military expert, but it's pretty conclusive throughout history that the fewer men you have to complete a mission, the greater the danger you put those men into and the less likely you'll succeed in your goal. And no, the US Army is NOT the 300 Spartans.

Also, this election we're likely to see a House, Senate, and White House that is controlled by the Dems. They're going to get their healthcare system (unless the Congress sucks as much has it has the past two years) that they want so desperately, and Obama wants to do it "with unity". That's utter bullshit. There's an entire party that disagrees with your platform, and there's MEANT to be disagreement about a plan. Preaching that we all come together as one is idealistic, stupid, and not real at all. This is the American political system for crying out loud.

And on that same track, don't get me started how many people he's been able to brainwash into his camp. It's effective and I admire him for it, but good God, every time I see a young hippy teenager with a dumbass Obama shirt handing out materials shouting stuff like "Vote Obama for change!" I want to grab a purse from the nearest woman and use it as a barf bag.
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:41 PM   #10
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:54 PM   #11
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Tell him Barry Hussein Obama, who hates America so much he won't wear a flag pin or put his hand over his heart, is financing his terrorist sleeper cell by selling coke. And he's for reparations.
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Yep. McCain is pretty much Bush with a larger vocabulary
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:57 PM   #13
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Great thread. I don't know why I don't like Obama so I want you people tell me why I shouldn't like him. So I can in turn try to convince someone and act like I know what I am talking about.
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Old 03-12-2008, 04:01 PM   #14
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Great question, foxman. I don't have time right now to go into all the policy based arguments against Obama, but I'll give you a couple for now and I'll come back later with a few more.

Let's start with the big picture. Spending. Spending A LOT. The National Taxpayer's Union has analyzed the campaign promises of all the major presidential candidates and it's not too surprising to find out that Obama comes out on top of the Big Spenders list. In terms of new spending proposed, here are the results of the study:

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Obama    $307.3 billion
Hillary  $226.1 billion
McCain   $6.9 billion
All this whining about how Bush is spending so much money on the war and being fiscally irresponsible turns out to be nothing but hot air. Both democrat candidates would divert any savings they generated by irresponsibly withdrawing from Iraq into new spending programs and then they'd have to come up with $ billions more (in Obama's case over $100 billion) to fund all their pie in the sky schemes.

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Obama's Fiscal Agenda Now Tops $300 Billion, Almost 36 Percent Higher than Clinton's, Updated Study Calculates

(Alexandria, VA) -- As Presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton race toward a key electoral showdown tomorrow, updated findings from the National Taxpayers Union Foundation's (NTUF's) candidate cost analysis project show that their federal budget proposals are racing ahead as well. According to neutral data, Obama's platform would boost yearly federal spending by $307.3 billion compared to Clinton's $226.1 billion -- both measurably higher totals since NTUF began examining the candidates' plans earlier this year.

"Since we released our first report on January 29, candidates Obama and Clinton have upped the ante on their campaign proposals by $20.3 billion and $7.9 billion, respectively," said NTUF Senior Policy Analyst Demian Brady. "That's the equivalent of nearly $1 billion of political promises for every day they've been on the campaign trail between then and now."

In late January NTUF provided cost estimates -- based on hard data -- for more than 450 of the major candidates' proposals that would affect the federal budget (at that time eight candidates were studied). NTUF assumed the most conservative cost estimates of federal outlays based on a variety of sources, including the candidates' own projections; summaries from the Congressional Budget Office, Congressional Research Service, and the White House Office of Management and Budget; and results from equivalent legislation from NTUF's BillTally cost accounting system. Among the latest findings:

* Since January 29, Barack Obama has outlined 34 additional policies that could have an impact on the federal budget (some are new proposals while others are expansions of existing proposals). These items add $20.3 billion in annualized spending to Obama's $287.0 billion total that NTUF originally calculated.
* Among Obama's larger new initiatives are a "National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank" ($6 billion), a New Orleans Hurricane Protection System ($1.6 billion), and a new "Universal Mortgage Credit" (the refundable portion of which could raise outlays by $4.4 billion).
* Hillary Clinton has offered or clarified 24 proposals that would increase her original $218.2 billion agenda total to $226.1 billion. Clinton's new items include financial literacy for adults ($250 million) and weatherization/energy efficiency assistance ($5 billion).
* Both candidates proposed dozens of "cost unknown" proposals that could boost totals higher.

NTUF's January 29 report elicited a great deal of attention from the media, the public, and the candidates themselves. At that time NTUF estimated that the Presidential hopefuls' budget platforms ranged from $150.1 billion in savings (Ron Paul) to $287.0 billion in new spending (Obama). The top-tier GOP candidates remaining in the race (John McCain and Mike Huckabee) called for spending hikes of $6.9 billion and $54.2 billion, respectively. NTUF will update their reports next.

NTUF is the nonpartisan research arm of the National Taxpayers Union, a citizen group founded in 1969. Note: For more on the candidate cost analysis project, visit www.ntu.org.
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Issue 2: Obama's plan to give $4,000 to college students in return for 100 hours of community service.

Obama wants to create a new, costly entitlement for kids who want to go to college. The cost of college is rising at a much faster rate than inflation. That $4,000 would go a long way toward making college more affordable, right? Yes and no.

The first generation of kids who get this $4,000 windfall will be benefited greatly by this program. But what's going to happen to college tuition when this easy money starts flowing into the system? Tuition is going to rise to absorb it, that's what's going to happen. We are going to hook a whole new group of people on a government entitlement and pretty soon tuition is going to be just as "out of reach" (read: require just as much sacrifice) as it does today except that when that time comes, it will be impossible to wean ourselves off of the Obama grant program and it will become another fixture in our entitlement soaked lives. Pressure will mount to increase the amount of the grant to keep up with tuition costs, but there will be an equal pressure to raise taxes or implement more stringent means testing to keep the program solvent. Uh uh. No thanks. We don't need to create yet another intitiative-sapping, dependency-creating, government-strings-attached entitlement program. Just say no to the suffocating nanny state.
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