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Old 03-13-2008, 02:14 PM  
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13% of Americans in Dire Need of Lobotomy

I'm parapharasing, but in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, 13% of Americans identified Barry as a Muslim (up from 8%). Clearly the crazy emails, Antichrist talk, "dress up" picture, and Clinton's "as far as I know he's not a Muslim" interview on 60 Minutes must be having some effect.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...13/764846.aspx
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:20 PM   #2
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I'm parapharasing, but in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, 13% of Americans identified Barry as a Muslim (up from 8%). Clearly the crazy emails, Antichrist talk, "dress up" picture, and Clinton's "as far as I know he's not a Muslim" interview on 60 Minutes must be having some effect.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...13/764846.aspx
Push polling at its finest. It's doesnt have to be true--just said.

I was meeting with my consultant at work and he was telling me about going to an Obama rally in Austin Tx, and how Obama was actaully admitting being a muslim. I asked if he was sure. He said yes. I dont know, I think he's got it wrong personally, but maybe all the push polling made him hear something he didnt really hear?

Weird.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:29 PM   #3
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:34 PM   #4
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It's interesting, 37% correctly identified Obama as a Christian (up from 18%). But fully 1/4 of the respondents who knew or thought they knew his religion thought he was a Muslim.

I have no idea what that consultant heard or thought he heard. But it's probably a variation of what he's said previously (in his 2nd book), that he attended both Catholic and Muslim schools while in Indonesia and there were religion classes in both.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:37 PM   #5
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After the revelations about the crazy preacher he has, how he hired the crazy preacher to be on his staff, and the rants the guy made and the hate he spews, it wont matter if you think hes a muslim or not.

Barry babys bloom has begun to fall from the rose.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:44 PM   #6
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Clinton's "as far as I know he's not a Muslim" interview on 60 Minutes must be having some effect.
About that...
"The fact is, if you look at Clinton's exchange with Kroft in its entirety, which lasted less than one minute, I count eight separate times in which she either plainly denied the false claim that Obama was Muslim, labeled that suggestion to be a smear, or expressed sympathy for Obama having to deal with the Muslim innuendo. Eight times:

CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's--you know, there is not basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

CLINTON: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim or implying? Right.

CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

KROFT: It's just scurrilous --

CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time."

...and then...
Lots of the journalism surrounding the story was simply unfair. Meaning, the only way journalists could make the Clinton response to the Muslim question newsworthy was to pretend that when Kroft pressed her, she essentially refused to answer the question and then when she finally did, qualified it with "as far as I know." Journalists had to hide the most pertinent parts of the answer -- the context -- in order to make the exchange newsworthy. And lots of reporters and pundits did just that.

* In The New York Times, columnist Bob Herbert wrote that Clinton's "as far as I know" response represented "one of the sleaziest moments of the campaign to date." For some reason Herbert never informed readers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* In The Washington Post, columnist Harold Meyerson suggested Democratic Party leaders, such as former Vice President Al Gore, "condemn" the type of "attacks and innuendos" Clinton used when she was "hemming and hawing on 60 Minutes over whether Obama really is Christian." Meyerson never informed readers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* In the Chicago Sun-Times, columnist Carol Marin claimed Clinton's "as far as I know" comment constituted "foul play." Marin never informed readers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* In The New Yorker, Ryan Lizza insisted Clinton's "disingenuous remark on '60 Minutes' that Obama was not a Muslim 'as far as I know' was especially galling." Lizza never informed readers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* In the New York Observer, Niall Stanage insisted Clinton's "as far as I know" response was part of her "nasty" campaign's "downward spiral" and represented "direct attacks and slimy insinuations." Strange never informed readers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* On NBC's Nightly News, Andrea Mitchell reported that Clinton's 60 Minutes answer "seemed to only keep the [Muslim] issue alive." Mitchell never informed viewers that when first asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, Clinton immediately answered, "Of course not."
* Appearing on MSNBC, Bloomberg News columnist Margaret Carlson complained that Clinton "doesn't have enough sympathy to say: Of course he's [Obama] not a Muslim." When in truth, that was almost exactly what Clinton said in response to the question of whether Obama is a Muslim: "Of course not."

What's disturbing is that either all these journalists failed to read the entire transcript or watch the relevant video from the 60 Minutes interview and therefore were not informed about Clinton's response. Or worse, they knew about her entire response and purposefully left out key phrases in order to portray the candidate in the worst possible light."

Who's actually pushing the "Obama's a Muslim" rumor?

I nominate all these journalists who keep fabricating a story out of nothing.

Here's the whole article. Very interesting and informative about the sorry state of the political media.

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803110002
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