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Old 03-14-2008, 05:15 PM  
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Let's face facts, this one statement truly is the Genesis for this controversy.

I want to ask you, on an individual level, if one truly feels the country has perpretrated evil on a significant portion of its population, is this really wrong for them to state as their feeling?

I also want to ask, why is everyone using it like Obama said it?
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:18 PM   #2
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:18 PM   #3
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And what kind of preacher ever uses the term "God Damn"? Seriously?
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:21 PM   #4
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And what kind of preacher ever uses the term "God Damn"? Seriously?
One that is not obsessed with the Bible being anything more than a very good spiritual guide for his flock. Not everyone believes a person is going to hell for saying "God Damn".
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:27 PM   #5
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What sort of Christian would take his Children to a man who says such things?

What is this mans judgement if he accepts the teachings of a racist hate monger on Sunday?

What sort of man would hire this hate filled sad creature then say he denounces his words...

What sort of man will not accept responsibility for his actions.


He has not the backbone, judgement, or moral character to be President. We are all cheapened by his very involvement in the process. He degrades the country and the men and women who make it possible for this bigot to spew hate every sunday while covered by the very constitution he damns. With Obamas support and blessing.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:32 PM   #6
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What sort of Christian would take his Children to a man who says such things?

What is this mans judgement if he accepts the teachings of a racist hate monger on Sunday?

What sort of man would hire this hate filled sad creature then say he denounces his words...

What sort of man will not accept responsibility for his actions.


He has not the backbone, judgement, or moral character to be President. We are all cheapened by his very involvement in the process. He degrades the country and the men and women who make it possible for this bigot to spew hate every sunday while covered by the very constitution he damns. With Obamas support and blessing.


Oh you were serious.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:32 PM   #7
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One that is not obsessed with the Bible being anything more than a very good spiritual guide for his flock. Not everyone believes a person is going to hell for saying "God Damn".
Give it up. You will NEVER get mainstream America to come around to your way of thinking on this one.
NEVER.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:53 PM   #8
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I don't personally see this as any different than Pat Robertson saying that God allowed 9/11 because of America's immorality. I truly believe that the difference here is that a black man is saying it, and white people don't like hearing expressive black men say things that make them squirm.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:03 PM   #9
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I don't personally see this as any different than Pat Robertson saying that God allowed 9/11 because of America's immorality. I truly believe that the difference here is that a black man is saying it, and white people don't like hearing expressive black men say things that make them squirm.
I have to say I think you're right on this one. Phelps, Robertson, Falwell, and all those frauds say it and it gets shrugged off. Here it's a friggin shitstorm.
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Let's face facts, this one statement truly is the Genesis for this controversy.

I want to ask you, on an individual level, if one truly feels the country has perpretrated evil on a significant portion of its population, is this really wrong for them to state as their feeling?

I also want to ask, why is everyone using it like Obama said it?
How have you not caught on yet?

If you say anything bad about America, you're in bed with terrorists and are not a citizen. Questioning authority? Get the hell out of here.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:49 PM   #11
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What sort of Christian would take his Children to a man who says such things?

What is this mans judgement if he accepts the teachings of a racist hate monger on Sunday?

What sort of man would hire this hate filled sad creature then say he denounces his words...

What sort of man will not accept responsibility for his actions.


He has not the backbone, judgement, or moral character to be President. We are all cheapened by his very involvement in the process. He degrades the country and the men and women who make it possible for this bigot to spew hate every sunday while covered by the very constitution he damns. With Obamas support and blessing.

Wow, talk about jumping off the bandwagon. Go vailpass, jr., Go.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:02 PM   #12
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Let's face facts, this one statement truly is the Genesis for this controversy.

I want to ask you, on an individual level, if one truly feels the country has perpretrated evil on a significant portion of its population, is this really wrong for them to state as their feeling?

I also want to ask, why is everyone using it like Obama said it?
I have been critical of this countries leadership for many years. I have never even come close to those kind of words.

I love my country. Period.

That doesn't mean I don't want to see major changes in how it is run. But the problem is not with "America" it is with those who run things.

This is one of my all time favorite songs, mostly due to the message in the lyrics. When you get to the end, go back and reread the first lines with the recognition of what it is talking about.

Suite Madame Blue by Styx:


Time after time I sit and I wait for your call
I know Im a fool what can I say
Whatever the price Ill pay for you, madame blue
Once long ago, one word from your lips and the world turned around
But somehow youve changed, youre so far away
I long for the past and dream of the days with you, madame blue

Suite madame blue, gaze in your looking glass
Youre not a child anymore
Suite madame blue, the future is all but past
Dressed in your jewels, you made your own rules
You conquered the world and more ..............heavens door

America....america...america..america..
America....america...america..america..
America....america...america..america..

Red white and blue, gaze in your looking glass
Youre not a child anymore
Red, white, and blue, the future is all but past
So lift up your heart, make a new start
And lead us away from here
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:41 PM   #13
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I have been critical of this countries leadership for many years. I have never even come close to those kind of words.

I love my country. Period.

That doesn't mean I don't want to see major changes in how it is run. But the problem is not with "America" it is with those who run things.

This is one of my all time favorite songs, mostly due to the message in the lyrics. When you get to the end, go back and reread the first lines with the recognition of what it is talking about.

Suite Madame Blue by Styx:


Time after time I sit and I wait for your call
I know Im a fool what can I say
Whatever the price Ill pay for you, madame blue
Once long ago, one word from your lips and the world turned around
But somehow youve changed, youre so far away
I long for the past and dream of the days with you, madame blue

Suite madame blue, gaze in your looking glass
Youre not a child anymore
Suite madame blue, the future is all but past
Dressed in your jewels, you made your own rules
You conquered the world and more ..............heavens door

America....america...america..america..
America....america...america..america..
America....america...america..america..

Red white and blue, gaze in your looking glass
Youre not a child anymore
Red, white, and blue, the future is all but past
So lift up your heart, make a new start
And lead us away from here
Nice song, but I am not sure it is something Rev Wright would relate to in his life experience. I also don't judge him, I would not make such a statement but I defend his right to do so and understand it is coming from his heartfelt feelings about the oppression he has suffered and his congregation faces.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:50 PM   #14
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One that is not obsessed with the Bible being anything more than a very good spiritual guide for his flock. Not everyone believes a person is going to hell for saying "God Damn".
I was meaning what kind of pastor hopes for God to Damn his nation? If he's read his bible he'd know that when God does that he destroys it, not simple makes little corrections.

I don't know where you got anything of this incoherent rant from what I said before....
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I was meaning what kind of pastor hopes for God to Damn his nation? If he's read his bible he'd know that when God does that he destroys it, not simple makes little corrections.

I don't know where you got anything of this incoherent rant from what I said before....

Gee my incoherent rant applies exactly the same to this statement as to what I assumed you meant.
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