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Old 03-17-2008, 09:19 PM  
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The Electoral College

During the past two elections there has been talk of doing away with the electoral college. IMO to do so would be a mistake. Had Al Gore won in 2000 simply because he won huge victories in the two largest states flies against every reason for the checks and balances put in place. Some will argue that the electoral college creates a tyranny of the larger states. Actually they are underrepresented in comparison to their smaller counterparts.

There was also the vote in Colorado to split up the votes strictly by proportion of the popular votes. Most national elections are won on a state by state basis with less than the 60 percent mandate it would take under such a system to create a separation. Just look at the current mess the Democratic Party is in with their representation method of allotting delegates.

The system I would propose is actually being used now in the states of Nebraska and Maine. In each of those states the individual house districts select their own electors while the overall winner of the state picks up its two senatorial electoral votes. I expect that if such a situation were implemented then the parties would pick up votes in traditionally red or blue states which would balance out over the country. It would create the view of a more representational winner.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:49 PM   #2
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The system I would propose is actually being used now in the states of Nebraska and Maine. In each of those states the individual house districts select their own electors while the overall winner of the state picks up its two senatorial electoral votes. I expect that if such a situation were implemented then the parties would pick up votes in traditionally red or blue states which would balance out over the country. It would create the view of a more representational winner.
Since that system would introduce a pretty decent bias towards the GOP if implemented nationwide, I whole-heartedly endorse this method as well.

(Explanation: GOP wins the many small unpopulated states in the middle, so grabs the lion's share of these "senate" EV's to balance out the few CD's they lose in those states, while still taking a chunk out of CA and NY.)
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:57 PM   #3
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The electoral college is fine until we have a tight race. it is generally always right with only a couple exceptions in the last 200 years. (however long we have had the EC anyway)
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:02 PM   #4
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The populace is educated (albeit still stupid) to the point where the EC is outmoded.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:05 PM   #5
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The phrase "the last two elections" is the key...

Whenever Liberals get their asses handed to them, there will always be a hue and cry to change the system till it favors them.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:11 PM   #6
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The phrase "the last two elections" is the key...

Whenever Liberals get their asses handed to them, there will always be a hue and cry to change the system till it favors them.
So winning a state by a SC decision that lead to a 4 EV discrepancy is handing someone's ass to them?
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:27 PM   #7
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Yeah. It's pretty safe to say that when your guy was the vice president of an administration that lucked into presiding over a period of explosive growth (due in no or very little part to his policies), and our guy was a virtually unknown alcoholic (and who knows what else in earlier years) son of a president that was widely rejected by the voters of his own party just eight years before, then yeah. I'd call that handing you your ass.

And quit whining, you child. It was V.P. Gore who took it to the SC and he lost his case. The NY Times reviewed the voting and agreed.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:31 PM   #8
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The electoral college? Keep it the way it is. It seldom contradicts the popular vote anyway.

Lord, I ask that you keep us from becoming a full-blown democracy.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:36 PM   #9
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Yeah. It's pretty safe to say that when your guy was the vice president of an administration that lucked into presiding over a period of explosive growth (due in no or very little part to his policies), and our guy was a virtually unknown alcoholic (and who knows what else in earlier years) son of a president that was widely rejected by the voters of his own party just eight years before, then yeah. I'd call that handing you your ass.

And quit whining, you child. It was V.P. Gore who took it to the SC and he lost his case. The NY Times reviewed the voting and agreed.


Yeah, we should clearly advocate trickle down economics, as it has worked so well for us in this administration as well as previous ones.

And for the record, before you call me a child, you should realize that losing by less than 1% of the total EVs is not getting your ass kicked.

For being unapologetically stupid, you are one arrogant one who sucks the penis.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:43 PM   #10
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Yeah, we should clearly advocate trickle down economics, as it has worked so well for us in this administration as well as previous ones.

And for the record, before you call me a child, you should realize that losing by less than 1% of the total EVs is not getting your ass kicked.

For being unapologetically stupid, you are one arrogant one who sucks the penis.
Trickle down? Naw, it's called supply side.

Sorry, "my friend" (there's my nod to Sen. McCain), you're a teacher. You're one step above a student.

When I compare myself to you I have no choice. I will be arrogant.

Your guy had everything going for him and we didn't want him. His own state didn't want him.

It's all good, though. He has a gold statuette.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:50 PM   #11
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Trickle down? Naw, it's called supply side.

Sorry, "my friend" (there's my nod to Sen. McCain), you're a teacher. You're one step above a student.

When I compare myself to you I have no choice. I will be arrogant.

Your guy had everything going for him and we didn't want him. His own state didn't want him.

It's all good, though. He has a gold statuette.
Trickle down=supply side, and it's a dinner napkin philosophy, literally, and yet you want to be arrogant.

What are you besides a professional nothing? Do you deride teachers because they realize that you're full of shit and can't back anything up? Or is it simply because your inferiority complex is exacerbated when you run across any number of the droves of people who know more than you, and when someone displays it everyday in a classroom setting it makes you think even less about your already worthless self?

Enjoy life in the cube farm, **** nut. I'm going to use those six pounds of neurons and synapses, you have fun with your skull full of septic backup.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:58 PM   #12
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There are pluses and minuses to the Electoral College system. Always disagreed with the idea that it was good because it made every state important. A lot of states still get passed over because it's either assumed they'll go one way or because they aren't as important to winning. To me, if you use the popular vote, it'll probably make the campaigns go all over to get every vote they can find.

I just never liked the idea that my vote counted for less than someone who lived in a bigger state.
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Trickle down=supply side, and it's a dinner napkin philosophy, literally, and yet you want to be arrogant.

What are you besides a professional nothing? Do you deride teachers because they realize that you're full of shit and can't back anything up?
I deride teachers because more than often than not they are nothing more than disinterested participants in a government make-work program. They want to call their chosen work a "profession," but they're really just union-protected laborers for life. I have no respect for the way most teachers perform their jobs, the way they are paid, nor do I want to protect the way they retire at taxpayer expense under defined-benefit plans.

Teachers aren't worth the current expense. They are more plentiful than the jobs available.
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Do you deride teachers because they realize that you're full of shit and can't back anything up? Or is it simply because your inferiority complex is exacerbated when you run across any number of the droves of people who know more than you...
Hey, Hamas, you know what it takes to teach seventh grade? Being graduated from seventh grade.

What do you teach, you Michelle Obama-esque differencemaker, you?
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:34 AM   #15
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Hey, Hamas, you know what it takes to teach seventh grade? Being graduated from seventh grade.

What do you teach, you Michelle Obama-esque differencemaker, you?
The first part of that is so stupid it shouldn't even be dignified with a response.

In regards to the second, college.
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