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Old 03-20-2008, 08:08 AM  
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What a Weird World BEP and TJ Live In

I don't mean this as insulting, but this latest debate has only brought home how incredibly odd it must be to rail against the world in the manner that super-strict libertarians seem to.

Everything about our system of governance is totally wrong. The Supreme Court hasn't gotten one right in at least 60 years, and maybe longer. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and FDR were the worst Presidents we ever had. Ending slavery was a good result, but done in a totally incorrect way and unconstitutional way that should have resulted in Lincoln's impeachment. Slavery was legal so what's the problem anyway. Everything we've ever done since the day after the Constitution was ratified has been an illegal and unconstitutional expansion of federal power.

It goes on and on.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:11 AM   #2
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:16 AM   #3
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Ah says the poster who feels America should have had a parliamentary system instead.
Couldn't get more polar opposites if you ask me, especially from one of the most legitimate wars ever fought in our history to get away from such ideas. Let's face it Amn you're just another big govt guy and we're not. Oh! And traditional limited-govt conservatives agree with most of these things too. I am not a libertarian.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:21 AM   #4
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Uh oh...

Looks like we've drawn the ire of the socialists who demand we interpret the constitution from a perspective that ignores the doctrine of enumerated powers.

The Constitution says anything you want it to if you look at it like that.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:22 AM   #5
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Tee-Hee! Someone's having emotional difficulty with disagreement or other ideas.
Tar n' feather them then!
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:24 AM   #6
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Wonder when Amn's side-kick will arrive to join the tarrin'?
This is better than a Stalinist purge!
I thought liberals were well liberals—open to new or other ideas especially on liberty.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:26 AM   #7
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What a ****ing cheap shot artist. I can see TC pulling this sort of low ball tactic when losing a debate. I didn't imagine Amnorix would do it.

Absolutely no honor.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:27 AM   #8
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It appears that TJ and BEP are going to take this thread to 100 just muttering to themselves in post form.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:28 AM   #9
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Ah says the poster who feels America should have had a parliamentary system instead.
While I don't object to the parliamentary system per se, I've never said this. Our system works fine.

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Couldn't get more polar opposites if you ask me, especially from one of the most legitimate wars ever fought in our history to get away from such ideas. Let's face it Amn you're just another big govt guy and we're not. Oh! And traditional limited-govt conservatives agree with most of these things too. I am not a libertarian.

It's not that -- I've argued time and again with Patteeu and Brock and many many others here, going back to some cataclysmic wars with KCWolfman years ago.

It's your fundamental rejection if nearly everything that the vast majority of (1) historians, (2) Constitutional scholars, and (3) economists believe that boggles my mind. If it was just one of those groups, fine, but it's all 3.

I don't mind disagreement. Heck, it's the reason why we're on this forum. But it just struck me now how odd your worldview must be. While I'm sure you have active forums, etc., rest assured that you're more or less in the Flat Earth Society.
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Look at the generalities in it too: "everything" about our system of governance is wrong.
No most of our system of original govt is right, and we want it back!
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:29 AM   #11
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What a ****ing cheap shot artist. I can see TC pulling this sort of low ball tactic when losing a debate. I didn't imagine Amnorix would do it.

Absolutely no honor.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick. Adn I'm not losing the debate. I'm sure you disagree, but htat's fine.

I'm just saying that it only occured to me just now (maybe I"m slow on the uptake) that you're in fundamental disagreemetn with the overhwleming majority views on all of US history, mainstream economic theory, and mainstream Constitutional interpretation.

Noen of that makes me right. Maybe you guys have it all right and we're all wrong. That's fine. But it didn't hit home until now just how fringe-y you are (in my opinion) on all of these major subject matters.
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:30 AM   #12
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I've wondered about this myself. They must look around and see nothing but horrors and usurpations for practically our whole history, and yet we seem to be doing pretty well as a nation.

Of course this can be reconciled by repeatedly predicting collapse and doom that will never come.
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It appears that TJ and BEP are going to take this thread to 100 just muttering to themselves in post form.
Why not! This is fun. And we get to defend ourselves. I guess some people would prefer a kangaroo court instead?

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Old 03-20-2008, 08:31 AM   #14
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Look at the generalities in it too: "everything" about our system of governance is wrong.
No most of our system of original govt is right, and we want it back!

I know you agree witht he Founders concept, but the way we practice governance in America now is basically almost entirely wrong.

If I understand you correct, based on our many arguments, you would say that the vast majority of government spending is unconstitutional, and that a very very large percentage (majority) of government programs are unconstitutional. I imagine you would also axe many federal cabinet agencies, etc.

No?
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Old 03-20-2008, 08:32 AM   #15
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Why not! This is fun. And we get to defend ourselves. I guess some people would prefer a kangaroo court instead?

You'd be a lot more effective if you didn't throw your little Stalin accusations around at the slightest hint of anything. It's just weird after a while.
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