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Old 03-23-2008, 09:57 AM  
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:08 AM   #2
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It will never pass but it should. Locking up pot-heads is ridiculous and a waste of tax payer's money. Coke heads, meth heads, and heroin users are one thing, but pot doesnt cause violence or ruin thousands of lives.
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:14 AM   #3
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Barney was on Bill Maher the other night talking about this, it was great!
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:14 AM   #4
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LOL @ creative bill titles.

FWIW, I agree with the sentiment.
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:17 AM   #5
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I'm 100% behind this. Quit wasting our time and resources with these petty dope cases. Focus on the hard drugs and real crime.
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:17 AM   #6
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I really don't understand why our government has such a big problem with weed. Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug.
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:34 AM   #7
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I really don't understand why our government has such a big problem with weed. Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug.
"If weed was legal, there wouldn't be Starbucks, there'd be Weedbucks."
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:50 AM   #8
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I really don't understand why our government has such a big problem with weed. Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug.
I don't buy this. If weed had the same kind of usage alcohol has I don't think we'd see that much difference.

It's a moot point, we're far more likely to see tobacco and alcohol controlled in my lifetime than pot legalized.
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:56 AM   #9
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It's a moot point, we're far more likely to see tobacco and alcohol controlled in my lifetime than pot legalized.

I forgot...that's one part of life you do want the government micromanaging.

They are "controlled" currently. However, it wouldn't surprise me if some in the government repeated the idiocy of the 18th amendment with regards to alcohol (and expanded it to tobacco)...as they haven't learned their lesson that the exact same problems that stemmed from the 18th amendment also happen because of the quixotic WOD.

I suppose all they have to do to convince many "useful idiots" to support a new prohibition is whine about how "it's for the children".
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:10 PM   #10
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I don't buy this. If weed had the same kind of usage alcohol has I don't think we'd see that much difference.

It's a moot point, we're far more likely to see tobacco and alcohol controlled in my lifetime than pot legalized.
There aren't many angry stoners (Dom. Violence/assaults, etc.), also alcohol impairment is much more likely to be joined to a lead foot while driving.

Plus it's not as addictive:

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Old 03-23-2008, 12:16 PM   #11
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I forgot...that's one part of life you do want the government micromanaging.

They are "controlled" currently. However, it wouldn't surprise me if some in the government repeated the idiocy of the 18th amendment with regards to alcohol (and expanded it to tobacco)...as they haven't learned their lesson that the exact same problems that stemmed from the 18th amendment also happen because of the quixotic WOD.

I suppose all they have to do to convince many "useful idiots" to support a new prohibition is whine about how "it's for the children".
I'm not in favor of tobacco or alcohol going the way of pot, I'm happy with "the line" being wacky weed.

I typed what I typed not because it's what I want but what I expect. We have employers getting rid and/or not hiring smokers. We're banning smoking in more and more places. A few cities have banned or are looking to ban certain food stuffs. Throw in a collective HC, which seems to be an unavoidable idea, and the Gov's limits and controls on what we use/eat/inhale is only going to get worse, not better.
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:21 PM   #12
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There aren't many angry stoners (Dom. Violence/assaults, etc.), also alcohol impairment is much more likely to be joined to a lead foot while driving.

Plus it's not as addictive:

Nicotine is supper addictive, it doesn't really endanger other people though (outside long term usage).

Driving or operating heavy machinery while high isn't any less dangerous than alcohol I'm guessing. Those are the things people would be doing far more if it was legal.
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:22 PM   #13
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There aren't many angry stoners (Dom. Violence/assaults, etc.), also alcohol impairment is much more likely to be joined to a lead foot while driving.

Plus it's not as addictive:
Not that I oppose legalization or decriminalization of pot, but ths is really the main remaining argument for keeping pot illegal.

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CHICAGO (AP) - A study of Australian twins and marijuana bolsters the fiercely debated "gateway theory" that pot can lead to harder drugs.

The researchers found 311 sets of same-sex twins in which only one twin had smoked marijuana before age 17. Early marijuana smokers were found to be up to five times more likely than their twins to move on to harder drugs. They were about twice as likely to use opiates, which include heroin, and five times more likely to use hallucinogens, which include LSD.
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:29 PM   #14
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Nicotine is supper addictive, it doesn't really endanger other people though (outside long term usage).

Driving or operating heavy machinery while high isn't any less dangerous than alcohol I'm guessing. Those are the things people would be doing far more if it was legal.
Driving or operating heavy machinery while high on pot may be comparable to low levels of blood alcohol, but you simply can't get as blitzed on pot as you can on alcohol at higher levels.
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Nicotine is supper addictive, it doesn't really endanger other people though (outside long term usage).

Driving or operating heavy machinery while high isn't any less dangerous than alcohol I'm guessing. Those are the things people would be doing far more if it was legal.
I wonder (would like to see a study) about the gateway affects of alcohol and tobacco.

I would bet that a large % of people smoking pot are or were previously drinking and smoking cigarettes. So they might be the first gateway.

And I wonder if the legal/illegal nature is the actual gateway itself. By that I mean, that the person willing to break the law to get high on pot has crossed a psycological threshold that demonstrates their increased willingness to do riskier things to get high.

That maybe pot is only the gateway drug because it's the lowest drug on the totem pole just across the line of legal. Ban alcohol and it becomes identified as the gateway drug. Legalize pot and something else becomes the gateway.
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