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Old 04-04-2008, 07:12 AM  
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More evidence Global Warming is a liberal circle jerk

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Global warming 'dips this year'

By Roger Harrabin
BBC News environment analyst



La Nina caused some of the coldest temperatures in memory in China

Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.

The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.

But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

Rises 'stalled'

LA NINA KEY FACTS

La Nina translates from the Spanish as "The Child Girl"
Refers to the extensive cooling of the central and eastern Pacific
Increased sea temperatures on the western side of the Pacific mean the atmosphere has more energy and frequency of heavy rain and thunderstorms is increased
Typically lasts for up to 12 months and generally less damaging event than the stronger El Nino

La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round the world.

El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.

It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.

Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a degree.

This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.



China suffered from heavy snow in January

Watching trends

A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.

But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.

"La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."

Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:14 AM   #2
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:20 AM   #3
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That 1/2 degree uptick since 1900 is alarming. I'm going to sell my house/cars and live in a tent to bring it back down.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:26 AM   #4
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Just crankin' out great thread after great thread. You've really heightened the level of debate here in the last week or so.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:32 AM   #5
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Just crankin' out great thread after great thread. You've really heightened the level of debate here in the last week or so.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:35 AM   #6
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Even if Global Warming is proven and accepted by the majority to be a complete farce, what does it hurt to reduce emissions? Itís still our health weíre talking about.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:37 AM   #7
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:40 AM   #8
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I noticed in quoting and editing different lines of the BBC, the starter thread didn't leave this out.
"But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm
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When the temperatures dip enough too start building polar ice year to year and glacial deposits, I will see evidence that CO 2 is not driving up global temperatures. But if we are simply leveling off in higher temperatures DURING La Nina event, then you can expect a jump in those temperatures when the El Nino event returns.
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When the temperatures dip enough too start building polar ice year to year and glacial deposits, I will see evidence that CO 2 is not driving up global temperatures. But if we are simply leveling off in higher temperatures DURING La Nina event, then you can expect a jump in those temperatures when the El Nino event returns.

But isn't that ironic that the Earth itself can overcome the increase in CO2 emissions that have increased at a steady rate, but man can ruin the earth because of it. I thought that man has much more influence on the temperatures then what was taking place in the earth and oceans, La Nina and volcanos and such....
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Or our dependence upon Middle East Oil.
We already get the majority of our oil from Canada and Mexico. We get something like 1/6 of our oil from the ME.
Besides, you might as well get used to the fact that weíll never be completely oil free. Itís used in too many plastics, more than likely including the keyboard your typing posts on and the monitor housing for your flat screen that youíre reading this response with.
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I don't ever want to hear anyone on this board say "no one is denying global warming".
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Seriously, do you guys even read your own posts beyond the headlines?
La Nina caused some of the coldest temperatures in memory in China

Global temperatures will drop slightly this year as a result of the cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.
[...]
Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."
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Even if Global Warming is proven and accepted by the majority to be a complete farce, what does it hurt to reduce emissions? Itís still our health weíre talking about.
Why do you hate America so much?

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I donít know, but Iím told it has something to do with pride.
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