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Old 04-15-2008, 11:06 AM  
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Moment of Truth in Iraq - Michael Yon



Here is an interesting comment from the publisher of Michael Yon's new book on the Iraq war. The introductory paragraph is from John Hindraker of Powerline.

Moment of Truth

Of all of the journalists who have covered the Iraq war, Michael Yon is the most credible. His new book, Moment of Truth in Iraq: How a New 'Greatest Generation' of American Soldiers is Turning Defeat and Disaster into Victory and Hope, has risen to a remarkable #45 [#15 as of this posting] on Amazon's best seller list, notwithstanding the fact that Yon works for no media company, has no organization and has supported his journalism largely through online donations.

The best tribute to Moment of Truth comes from Yon's publisher:
I HAVE NEVER BEEN PROUDER TO PUBLISH A BOOK

Michael Yon changed my mind about the war in Iraq, by making me understand it for the first time.

From the very beginning I was against the war. I thought it would be a disaster, another Vietnam. And until I had the privilege of working on this book with Michael I was always for immediate pull-out: why should one more American die for a doomed effort?

Michael--who is as close to totally non-political as anyone I know--showed me two things. First, because I judged by Vietnam, the war of my youth, I had radically underestimated what American soldiers could do. ***

I was 100 percent wrong. Today's American soldiers excel at counterinsurgency, because they excel at the most important thing: winning over the people by inspiring them with their own courage and compassion, discipline and determination. ***

Just wait until you read the Chapter "High Noon" (my favorite), the story of the American soldiers who have to arrest a corrupt but politically popular Iraqi police chief we had put in office in the first place because he had been a real hero in fighting the terrorists. He had to be removed by Americans to show the Iraqis we really did believe in the rule of law. The whole thing could have blown up into a one-town civil war with hundreds dead on both sides. Won't tell you how it ends, but you will be amazed and very proud.

***

I am convinced that everything I once thought about the war was wrong. The truth is we are doing a great thing in Iraq, most of the Iraqi people really do want to be a united democratic nation and already consider America their greatest friend and ally. It would be a crime to turn tail now and abandon them now.

I owe all that to Michael's book, which is why I believe publishing Moment of Truth in Iraq may be the best thing I have ever done for my country.


A stunning tribute.

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Old 04-15-2008, 11:15 AM   #2
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It appears his Publishing House features standard Far-Right fodder Denying Global Warming, a defense of Senator Joseph McCarthy, and "Libs is teh debbil" books from Ingrham, Frum, and Steyn.

http://www.richardvigilantebooks.com/

Considering that, I believe the publishers claim that Yon's book completely changed his belief about Iraq is little more than bookselling boilerplate. Well, that and some self-congratulatory back patting, as he claims publishing Yon's book as the "best thing he's ever done for the country."

I might pick it up at the Library, but I certainly won't be spending any money on Mr. Yon or his Publisher, who I will take with one of these:

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Old 04-15-2008, 11:20 AM   #3
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Michael Yon has more credibility in his coverage of the Iraq war than any other journalist IMHO.
No matter your political bent his first-hand accounting of daily happenings is powerful.
See for yourself:
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Michael Yon has more credibility in his coverage of the Iraq war than any other journalist IMHO.
No matter your political bent his first-hand accounting of daily happenings is powerful.
See for yourself:
http://michaelyon-online.com/
I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:26 AM   #5
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I might pick it up at the Library, but I certainly won't be spending any money on Mr. Yon or his Publisher, who I will take with one of these:

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Suit yourself.

I can understand why people wouldn't spend money on a Michael Moore book or an Ann Coulter book, but why you'd take that strange position on a Michael Yon book is not apparent to me. You can read some of his reports for free at his self-published website http://michaelyon-online.com/ to decide for yourself whether he's a nutcase or not. He believes in the war as a result of living it for the past several years, but he isn't really a political hack by any stretch of the imagination.
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Old 04-15-2008, 11:27 AM   #6
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I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.
Oh, OK. I can understand why you'd take the publisher's blurb with a grain of salt.
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Oh, OK. I can understand why you'd take the publisher's blurb with a grain of salt.
Thanks. I can understand why you would find it compelling enough to make it the focal point of your OP.

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I can understand why people wouldn't spend money on a Michael Moore book or an Ann Coulter book, but why you'd take that strange position on a Michael Yon book is not apparent to me.
I don't really see not supporting "Pundit" publishing houses as strange, but each to their own.
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Thanks. I can understand why you would find it compelling enough to make it the focal point of your OP.
It's a glowing testimonial, that's for sure. As hard as it is for me to believe that someone who favored immediate withdrawal is smart enough to have their opinion changed by a rational argument, it doesn't surprise me at all that Michael Yon's reporting from Iraq could convert someone who doubts our ability to succeed in Iraq into someone who is bullish on our prospects there.
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I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.
Understood AH. I hadn't read your post before I posted so wasn't directing anything toward you; just making a general observation.
Yon's man-on-the-scene accounts are very good reads IMHO.
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It's a glowing testimonial, that's for sure. As hard as it is for me to believe that someone who favored immediate withdrawal is smart enough to have their opinion changed by a rational argument, it doesn't surprise me at all that Michael Yon's reporting from Iraq could convert someone who doubts our ability to succeed in Iraq into someone who is bullish on our prospects there.
This is where Occam's razor comes into play for me.

Is it more likely:

1) Someone who was a staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal was convinced by the arguments made by Yon, and completely changed his position?

2) The publisher is overstating his beliefs and support for immediate withdrawal to put a puff piece review on the back of a book he thinks he can make a pile from (NTTAWWT). As the other books he publishes all support hard-right positions, I'm also inclined to doubt his claims of support for immediate withdrawal, though that is assumption on my part.

From what I know of the Bookselling industry (though it has been many years, I'm sure publishers are still the same), I'm going with option #2.
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This is where Occam's razor comes into play for me.

Is it more likely:

1) Someone who was a staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal was convinced by the arguments made by Yon, and completely changed his position?

2) The publisher is overstating his beliefs and support for immediate withdrawal to put a puff piece review on the back of a book he thinks he can make a pile from (NTTAWWT). As the other books he publishes all support hard-right positions, I'm also inclined to doubt his claims of support for immediate withdrawal, though that is assumption on my part.

From what I know of the Bookselling industry (though it has been many years, I'm sure publishers are still the same), I'm going with option #2.
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I have had it with this war but I am not sure an immediate pull out is the right thing. This is the end of a letter I just received from my sister who is back over on her 4th tour.

"I can tell you one thing. Anyone who thinks we should just pull out of here has lost their ever loving minds. Sorry, I am trying to be politically correct but it is difficult when I am here. I guess it depends on the person, but I would suspect if they had a chance to look into the eyes of the children here and they knew what would happen if we left, they may change their minds. But maybe these people who have never been over here know more than me, which is always possible. I am not saying it is perfect. I am the first to say it is not but we cannot just leave.

On a happier note, I would like to throw something out there to all my family and friends. There are a lot of local children here who need or would enjoy some items. I thought I would get a list of items together and give out my address. If anyone would like to send items, please do, if not that is great too. Just let me know you are sending something, so we can plan our trips. We will personally go out and give the items to children who don't have the money to enjoy such items. "
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The problem is, short of going all out to put the entire country under foot forever, how do you propose that we stop people who loathe each other from trying to kill everyone on the other side the moment we're no longer there to act as a buffer? Unless they just magically decide that their differences aren't such a big deal anymore, a complete cluster**** is already inevitable, if what's going on isn't already that in the first place.

We can leave in twenty years and let these children's children be the victims of the aftermath instead, I guess, but I don't know that this option fixes more than it damages in the grand scheme of things.
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I have had it with this war but I am not sure an immediate pull out is the right thing. This is the end of a letter I just received from my sister who is back over on her 4th tour.

"I can tell you one thing. Anyone who thinks we should just pull out of here has lost their ever loving minds. Sorry, I am trying to be politically correct but it is difficult when I am here. I guess it depends on the person, but I would suspect if they had a chance to look into the eyes of the children here and they knew what would happen if we left, they may change their minds. But maybe these people who have never been over here know more than me, which is always possible. I am not saying it is perfect. I am the first to say it is not but we cannot just leave.

Wow. Nobody has a better insight than boots on the ground.
Godspeed to your sis.
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Wow. Nobody has a better insight than boots on the ground.
Godspeed to your sis.
Thanks. I wish she would quit volunteering to go over there. She knows what she does saves US soldiers so she sacrifices and risks a lot to do that.
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