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Old 04-18-2008, 03:29 PM  
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How the FLDS afforded the "ranch"

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- The U.S. government paid more than $1.7 million in defense contracts over the last decade to companies owned by leaders of Warren Jeffs' polygamous sect -- with tens of thousands allegedly winding its way back to Jeffs and his church.


The Pentagon had contracts with three companies with ties to Warren Jeffs' polygamous sect.

In fact, some of the deals were made after Jeffs was named to the FBI's "Most-Wanted List" and remained in place while he was on the run.

CNN has learned that between 1998 and 2007 the United States Air Force and Defense Logistics Agency purchased more than $1.7 million worth of airplane parts from three companies owned by members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which practices polygamy.

Those companies are Utah Tool and Die, Western Precision and NewEra Manufacturing. Today, the companies all operate under the name NewEra Manufacturing, a company based in Las Vegas, Nevada, that says it supplies precision components "for the aerospace, military, medical, recreational and other commercial entities."

"It was my understanding that Western Precision was paying roughly $50,000 a week into the coffers of the church," former sect member Richard Holm told CNN. "It would have been close to $200,000 a month."

Holm said he helped build Western Precision.

A court affidavit signed by a man whose father was the president of Western Precision makes similar allegations.


"During 2003, the amount being sent to the storehouse and the FLDS was around $100,000 per month," said John Nielsen in the October 26, 2005, affidavit. "I have personal knowledge that checks sent to the FLDS Church/Warren Jeffs by [Western Precision] are payable to the FLDS Church and/or Warren Jeffs."

Private investigator Sam Brower, who monitors the sect, said money earned through business dealings with the U.S. government was used to build Jeffs' compounds around the country, including the one recently raided in El Dorado, Texas.

More than 400 children, including teenage girls, were removed from that ranch amid claims of child abuse and forced marriage and motherhood. Watch a mom plead: 'We need our children' »

Brower says dozens of companies tied to FLDS are working on contracts with federal or local governments. The Pentagon would only confirm it had contracts with three.

CNN contacted NewEra Manufacturing for this story. "No comment," said a man at the other end of the phone before hanging up.

The companies have not been charged with wrongdoing.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell emphasized that point.

"The Department of Defense awards contracts on the basis of who can most effectively meet our requirements for supplies or services at the most reasonable cost to the taxpayer," he told CNN.

"We do not consider religious affiliation or marital status when selecting vendors, but illegal activity is certainly cause for termination of a contract and perhaps even debarment, which could prevent a contractor from doing business with department ever again."

He added, "However, DoD is not aware of any criminal allegations against anyone managing the companies in question."

Bob Maginnis, a retired Army lieutenant colonel who now works with a contractor for the Pentagon, said the department does background checks before signing contracts.

"The DoD is obviously abiding by the law, and if we want them to look deeper and discriminate on religious or other activities we need to tell them."

But he added, "If there was a direct line between Jeffs and this company, and his name was associated with a contract, then that should have come to attention of those that were bidding contract."

It's unclear if Jeffs' name was on any contract, but other senior members of his church were managing the companies.

What might taxpayers think of it all?

"They're just going to shake their head and say here's another example of our tax money going down the drain to support this polygamist in Texas who abuses children and women," Maginnis said. "They'll be appalled and rightly so."


Jeffs is currently serving time in Utah after his 2007 conviction for being an accomplice to rape -- charges related to a marriage he performed in 2001. He also faces trial in Arizona on eight charges of sexual conduct with a minor, incest and conspiracy. See a timeline of Jeffs' life »

The Mormon Church, which gave up plural marriage more than a century ago, has no ties to Jeffs' group. E-mail to a friend
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:33 PM   #2
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I'll throw out a guess that these companies didn't know what these sick bastards were doing, or else they would have took their money someplace else.
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:36 PM   #3
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Texas... it must be Bush's fault. he is the Debbil afterall
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:36 PM   #4
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I knew that this was all Bush's fault somehow.

Connect the dots: defense spending + the ranch is in Texas = Bush is responsible.
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:36 PM   #5
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:37 PM   #6
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:42 PM   #7
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If that company won the bid and the product is made according to spec, then I can't say that any action is required.

I thought the thread was going to be about how the polygamists have a bunch of kids and apply for welfare. There are some polygamous outifts in the west where that happens, if this kooky crowd has found a way to make real money legally then good for them.
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:51 PM   #8
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Texas... it must be Bush's fault. he is the Debbil afterall
You've got it all wrong. Bill Clinton is da debbil. He's as guilty for these cultists as he was for the Branch Davidians. Com'n on now, get with the program.
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:06 PM   #9
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Anyone watch "Big Love"?

It really seems to follow this story reasonably closely. And it's a good show.
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:14 PM   #10
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Although it makes for a cool story and something to snicker about, this is probably completely irrelevant. You cant expect us to perform a full-blown background security check on the owners and executives of every company that gets a government contract.
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:23 PM   #11
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Although it makes for a cool story and something to snicker about, this is probably completely irrelevant. You cant expect us to perform a full-blown background security check on the owners and executives of every company that gets a government contract.
However, when the government (i.e. republican corporatism) has a reputation for funneling taxpayer money to cronies like Haliburton and "faith based" organizations instead of value based organizations, what does one expect?
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:24 PM   #12
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Although it makes for a cool story and something to snicker about, this is probably completely irrelevant. You cant expect us to perform a full-blown background security check on the owners and executives of every company that gets a government contract.
I completely agree.

It's comical, but that's it.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:07 AM   #13
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This was the last thread I could find in the DC forum on the FLDS in Texas.

I figured there would be some serious discussion on here when the Texas Supreme Court ordered the state to return the children.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:30 AM   #14
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This was the last thread I could find in the DC forum on the FLDS in Texas.

I figured there would be some serious discussion on here when the Texas Supreme Court ordered the state to return the children.
The election is getting the focus right now.
I was going to put a new thread up about this but have been so busy.

But good for you Warrior for bringing it up.

The state of Texas basically was guilty of kidnapping 400 children while Americans cheered it on because these guys are unpopular. Therefore, guilty before proven innocent is the order-of-the day. I even read that some of the children were not minors. Didn't read up about the remainder. Good for the Texas judiciary.

Also, I found out that one reason these guys can live this way is because they actually do not marry the women to get around the polygamy laws but are married religiously. This way the women, as single moms, collect welfare. Most of these men could never afford this many wives or children. So it's another funny twist on welfare abuse, which is legal.

at the law of unintended consequences here. Talk about the state being an enabler. The best way to handle this would be to deny them welfare. See how many wives and children they could afford then.
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:07 AM   #15
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I'm wondering if/how far the FLDS is going to pursue legal action...

against the state (civil rights, due process, etc.)?

against Child Protective Services (libel)?

both?

neither?
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